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City sharpens up safety with £33,000 on stab-proof vests



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Published Date: 06 August 2008
THE city council has spent more than £33,000 kitting out its staff with stab-proof vests when they patrol streets or tackle antisocial behaviour, it emerged today.

Dozens of the vests, which cost up to £380, have been purchased over the past three years, in a move today described as "unfortunate but necessary".

The figures, released to the Evening News under the Freedom of Information Act, show that a large portion of the protective gear is handed to environmental wardens who issue on-the-spot fines for litter or dog fouling.

Trading standards officers, who probe illegal activity such as counterfeiting, and workers who deal with complaints about domestic noise are also equipped with the vests when they leave their office.

Councillor Paul Edie, the city's community safety leader, said today: "The safety of our staff is paramount, which is why the council invests in suitable protective clothing, such as stab-proof vests, for officers whose roles can put them at risk.

"Enforcement staff are often required to deal with potentially threatening situations, so we need to ensure that each situation is risk assessed and officers are kitted out with appropriate protective clothing."

A total of 106 vests have been purchased by the council since 2005.

Other examples of staff who receive the protective gear include licensing standards officers, who turn up unannounced to inspect pubs, and HMO (houses of multiple occupancy) officers, who respond to complaints about over-crowding in flats.

Environmental wardens, who now sometimes patrol the streets with police officers to crack down on crime, antisocial behaviour and littering, wear the vests at all times. Other staff use the gear on a risk-assessed basis.

Tory group leader Iain Whyte said today: "There will be occasions when this is a necessity, which is very unfortunate – and I wish it wasn't the case – but the council has to protect its staff.

"We know the police have worn this type of protective gear for some time. Hopefully, it is only used by council workers when necessary, but it's better to be protected."

The growing fear of knife crime is forcing more public sector bodies to supply body armour to frontline workers, including accident and emergency staff, teachers and traffic wardens.

Last month, the Body Armour Company said it had received about 10,000 orders for protective vests from councils or hospital trusts.

The city council's head of human resources, Philip Barr, said today: "This protective gear was not purchased in response to any actual stabbing or specific incident. None of the individuals employed within the groups has been the victim of a stabbing whilst in work."

It emerged last month that the number of people in Edinburgh convicted of carrying a knife in public has soared by almost 70 per cent in the past five years.


The full article contains 479 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 06 August 2008 12:01 PM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Antisocial Behaviour
 
1

allknowing,

06/08/2008 11:56:41
Good, and some tasers wouldnt go amiss either!
2

calum,

06/08/2008 12:01:05
......wouldn't REAL police be better?
3

alex paterson,

edinburgh 06/08/2008 12:06:12
Waste of money,get the polis on the streets and out of their cafes drinking coffee.
4

Darren :-),

06/08/2008 12:28:04
stab vest covers stomach but what about arms, or legs or any other part of the body? still, waste of cash, paying them to do parking restrictions
5

I still don't believe it !,

06/08/2008 12:43:29
#3 One day you might have something sensible to say. I see however that its not today.
Ya Clown!
6

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

06/08/2008 12:46:40
It's time to arm Council operatives with handguns.
7

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

06/08/2008 12:47:17
...or a rolled-up copy of the Eveening News, known to be very effective against neds.
8

Epicuras,

06/08/2008 12:55:04
i blame the trams; and thatcher
9

The Judge,

06/08/2008 13:01:36
The city council's head of human resources, Philip Barr, said today: "This protective gear was not purchased in response to any actual stabbing or specific incident. None of the individuals employed within the groups has been the victim of a stabbing whilst in work."

So why did you buy them Phil?

As ever the councils pet monkey at the EEN didn't even bother asking the question.

This had more to do with spending the money left over from the budget than protecting work shy council employees.

10

likkitysplit,

Edinburgh 06/08/2008 13:03:15
I dont see how this will deter the average bampot from threatening officials with a knife.

we need proper proportionate sentencing e.g.
carrying a knife - 6 months GUARANTEED.
Threatening with a knife - 1 year GUARANTEED
Causing injury with a knife - 10 years GUARANTEED
Killing with a knife - throw away the key GUARANTEED

11

Daft Old Git,

06/08/2008 13:05:39
These people are incredibly brave dealing with knife wielding dog poopers and litter louts. They will look far more impressive dressed like Darth Vader
12

Bonzo,

06/08/2008 13:17:10
#9 Yes, much more sensible to buy the vests AFTER somebody has been stabbed. Sometimes I despair.
13

Rambo_the_Jambo,

Edinburgh 06/08/2008 13:23:30
Cheaper to get rid of these wardens as the are a waste of space. If I dropped something and they demanded my name and address I would tell the where to go.

How about spending their time checking the disgraceful state of George IV Bridge every morning. Traders put out black rubbish bags the night before, by 7.30 am most if not alll have been ripped open by Gulls
14

The Judge,

06/08/2008 13:32:38
#12 Maybe we should issue them with biosuits & gas masks just in case OBL gets the bomb? Overreaction by the council & as I said its more to do with spending the budget than protecting anybody.
15

Bonzo,

06/08/2008 13:42:29
#14 Great analogy; because the frequency of stabbings and the frequency of deployment of WMDs in Edinburgh streets are approximately the same. Aren't they?
16

Not for you to know ,

06/08/2008 13:47:45
and once again wasting more money
17

The Judge,

06/08/2008 13:56:17
#15
Frequency of stabbings?

How many on duty council workers have been stabbed in the last 25 years?

18

Bottoms Up,

Blackhall 06/08/2008 14:03:20
Stab proof vests - not a lot of use when you are getting battered with a baseball bat!!
19

Bonzo,

06/08/2008 14:26:14
#15 I don't know. Do you?
20

Bonzo,

06/08/2008 14:26:46
Oops, should be #17
21

Daft Old Git,

06/08/2008 14:55:19
Bonzo:
They are as at much risk as anyone else who deals with the public. I suppose you think teachers, nurses, shop assistants and hairdressers should all be wearing them as all of these professions have actually had a member stabbed at some time
22

Bonzo,

06/08/2008 15:11:29
#21 So every profession which deals with the public is at equal risk of being assaulted? Police officers and casualty nurses are in more danger than, say,university lecturers?
23

Jenny MacArthur's Humvee,

06/08/2008 15:11:39
No need to stab them, just run away from them. Most of them would be too fat to pursue.
24

Daft Old Git,

06/08/2008 15:15:45
#22
So where do you draw the line. Should we all just wear them?
25

Bottoms Up,

Blackhall 06/08/2008 15:26:29
Me and my pals wore body armour when we went to the UEFA cup final as we knew there were going to be riot police.

We were glad we did - we were able to withstand a lot of the blows from their batons.
26

James (1),

06/08/2008 15:29:20
Absolute waste of public money! This is not a one off payment. This will now be a stock item they now need to pay for.
We could also issue them each with a chair and a whip just incase they come across a lion or tiger that needs to be kept at bay.
Why not issue them with bullet proof vests. No one has been stabbed and therefore it follows no one has been shot so they really should have bullet proof vests.
Why this council is hell bent on spending public money on "Harriet Harman" publicity is beyond me.
27

Bonzo,

06/08/2008 15:39:55
#24. I can ask you the same question. Should nobody wear them?
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06/08/2008 15:44:14
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06/08/2008 15:49:58
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alex patersons English teacher,

06/08/2008 16:01:28
24.

Yes we should all just wear them,if you cook them they end up all stringy.
unless its a vestal virgin,thats another ball game in the altogether.
32

GARY BARNA,

ASSARRET 06/08/2008 16:03:09
i've already got two. a friend of mine who works there nocked a couple last week, didn't realise they cost so much, who gives a monkey's, i've got mine!!
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06/08/2008 16:04:20
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GARY BARNA,

ASSARRET 06/08/2008 16:09:00


34...that's my business!!!
36

James (1),

06/08/2008 16:31:01
#30 I do not think #29 is racist. He is however non PC.
That does not make him wrong or mean he is telling lies. He is just too forthright for todays society.
If he wants to speak the truth then it has to be done PC fashion. It's a skill that needs to be learnt.

Don't commit to writing the groups of people that cause the problem. ESPECIALLY IF MINORITY! HUGE MISTAKE! Leave it open so that we all know which minority groups are causing the problem but please, oh please do not name them.
That is an automatic "Racist" chant.
#30 proves my point!
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06/08/2008 16:31:47
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06/08/2008 16:34:32
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06/08/2008 16:58:15
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Balliol II,

Dunbar 06/08/2008 17:00:36
Are these vests being issued to the councillors who voted through the trams?
41

The Geniune Mario Antionette,

06/08/2008 17:00:57
is it true people wearing these vests never get the point
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06/08/2008 17:08:54
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allknowing,

06/08/2008 17:17:37
How is it racist??

Even the METS on website states that the biggest percentage of knife crime are committed by black people.

Same with Terrorism, the large majority by middle eastern folks.

Nothing racist there, just facts!!!
45

allknowing,

06/08/2008 17:19:22
on website = own website
46

alex patersons English teacher,

06/08/2008 17:52:36
39
When the moon hits you aye like a big pizza pie
Thats amore
When the world seems to shine like youve had too much whine
That's amore
Bells on the bike will ring ting-a-ling-a-ling, ting-a-ling-a-ling
And youll sing "Porty bella"
Hearts will play tippy-tippy-tay, tippy-tippy-tay
Like a gay homfc.

Dean village.

47

YummyMummy,

06/08/2008 19:06:00
I hope the council are going to fork out for one of these for everyone else in Edinburgh, or do we not matter? :(
#4 Your more likely to die with a stab wound to the chest than a limb although the neck is still exposed.. but still, that may answer your question
48

The Sheriff,

06/08/2008 19:33:34
I wonder when the council will purchase these wardens with hats?

The reason I ask is quite simple, when a parking attendant patrols the streets they must be properly dressed which includes a hat to issue their civil penalty notices.....can you see where i am going here?

I would suggest that anyone who has been issued with a penalty notice by these people for littering has been done so illegally due to the fact they were not properly dressed by not having a hat.
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Haggis3:12,

06/08/2008 23:27:27
The Wardens are the best thing that the council could bring into Action.
These wardens are out on the street everyday dealing with all kinds of people handing out tickets to people for breaking the law.
You never know what anyone could be carrying on them, so think from a safety point stab vests are the best thing for the wardens.
To the sheriff why would the wardens wear hats they are nothing like parking attendants, they do more.....
51

James (1),

07/08/2008 07:15:27
Foo I am at a loss to see where you are coming from,
however thankfully you are going.

You are one of the type (un-PC?)who when faced with facts that you don't like resort to calling the person racist.
As has been said by the Metropolitan Police, most knife crime is black on black. Why is this fact rendering the person who says it racist?
Have you never heard the saying "Don't shoot the messager".
Then when asked why you think that you adopt the attitude of misplaced superiority and become dismissive.
Do you actually understand what was being said?
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James (1),

07/08/2008 15:12:16
#53 "If" what you say is true then which groups of people fall into this category more than others?

Perhaps the media have a part to play in this? News reports seem to show mostly black people committing stabbings down south. Are they racist for reporting such things?
Am I racist because I happen to notice this fact?

As I said your type use racist for anything you do not agree with. It is a tool you use to get the subject changed. Not clever and but it does work sometimes.
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James (1),

07/08/2008 19:23:31
#55 are you still at school? You appear to have a very limited attention span?
The point being made was the fact that the Metropolitan Police said most knife crime is black on black! Remember now?
You did not like this fact and brought in Glasgow!
The Met have a much bigger population (I assume you consider all people the same?) to police and therefore more crime will occur creating statistics. So if more knife crime is committed by black on black what does that tell you? Sorry, we will leave you out of this question. What does it tell any rational person?
Answer- Most knife crime is committed by blacks!
Enter you- Your a racist, I'm going to tell my teacher!
Grow up! Stop hiding behind the racist word. No doubt it affords you some protection. It certainly stops you having to think!
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James (1),

08/08/2008 18:13:43
#55 Scotland today (08/08/08)black male stabbed white 14 year old boy in London gets sentenced.
No doubt in the world of Foo it was the white boys fault?


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The Geniune Mario Antionette,

15/10/2008 22:08:29
#41 - what's the point ?

 

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