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Labour sounds school closures warning



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Published Date: 27 February 2008
LABOUR has challenged city council chiefs over school closure plans after latest figures showed primary class sizes are still above the Scottish average.
A new list of city schools which are likely to face closure is expected to be presented to a cross-party group on Friday.

But Andrew Burns, Labour's council education spokesman, said closing schools flew in the face of the Scottish Government's ai
m of cutting class sizes.

And he argued there was a risk the authority would close schools only to later find it needed the space to create smaller classes.

Figures published yesterday showed average primary classes in Edinburgh had 24.2 pupils, compared with 23.3 across Scotland.

Cllr Burns said: "The Scottish Government has an aspiration to get P1-3 class sizes down to 18 from the current 25-30. And that will have an impact on the capacity levels in Edinburgh schools.

"It comes down to common sense. We have a government that wants to reduce class sizes and we need to take that into account."

But education convener Marilyne MacLaren rejected Cllr Burns' argument.

She said: "We receive funding from the Scottish Government based on pupil numbers, which in turn relates to the number of teachers required in schools."





The full article contains 212 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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1

Sgurr,

27/02/2008 10:33:58
I'm just stunned that these Labour goons feel able to attack the SNP over class sizes when they themselves had more than 10 years to sort it out.

ok, closing schools might appear contrary to aims, but if budget spent on buildings and infrastructure is reinvested into more teachers and resources for kids, then who cares if I have to walk an extra 5 minutes to get "young bobby" to school?
2

Edward,

27/02/2008 11:06:40
Sounds like this paper along with other media outlets are being briefed by Labour on class sizes
Was also on Reporting Scotland, shame on the BBC and there reporters for being utterly lazy and using this rubbish
I would see the point if the SNP Government had been in power for 2 or more years (about halfway through the term)but they were only elected in May 2007, not even a year!
Yet Labour had at least EIGHT years in power and kept promising to cut class sizes at every election, yet they never delivered, so a party that FAILED to deliver in EIGHT years agains a party just in government for LESS than a year and doing there level best in the face of spurious opposition. I would be inclined to ignore labour big time and expect the BBC and this paper to be more objective!
3

Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 27/02/2008 11:58:06
Class sizes are irrelevant. Fifty years ago class sizes were double what they are now, but education was far better.
4

fresian,

edinburgh 27/02/2008 12:14:48
education isn't everything.....for a start it isn't elephants
5

Jim Smith,

Edinburgh 27/02/2008 12:36:42
#1 and #2 - I think you're completely missing the point here. I don't hear anyone in this article criticising the SNP Government but just questioning the rationale of locally (here in Edinburgh) closing schools NOW when the SNP Government may soon legislate to reduce class sizes. It doesn't make sense to reduce capacity NOW when Edinburgh might NEED that capacity in the near future.

Is there really a need to be so tribal every moment, of every day?
6

Beergut,

Embra 27/02/2008 12:47:47
I blame all those people who just aren't havings kids any more. At this rate we won't need to bother with schools any more and can put the money into retirement homes instead.
7

spiggot,

Edinburgh 27/02/2008 12:48:06
#1 "ok, closing schools might appear contrary to aims, but if budget spent on buildings and infrastructure is reinvested into more teachers and resources for kids, then who cares if I have to walk an extra 5 minutes to get "young bobby" to school?"

Thats a very big "if" you've got there... they're much more likely to take the money and run.
8

Derek JT,

27/02/2008 13:00:31
Was it not the Labour council who tried to close schools a year or so ago ? (genuine question - my memory isn't what it used to be !)
9

Thomas the Tank,

Edinburgh 27/02/2008 13:02:20
H'mmm - another Labour party political press release published as 'News'. And Dopey Burns, who left a legacy of squandering millions on crack-brained good intentions he liked to call 'Transport Policies' has now re-invented himself as an expert on Education.
10

Grahamski,

Falkirk 27/02/2008 13:02:46
#8
No, it was not. Mr Salmond claimed that it was Labour then had to apologise for the smear.
11

Linda,

Edinburgh 27/02/2008 13:17:32
Another pointless Press release from Labour. Cllr Burns is well aware that Labour are part of an all party City Council group which is currently reviewing Schools situation in Edinburgh (and Labour had plans to close many of them 2 years ago)and which will report in a few months time.
12

Sgurr,

27/02/2008 13:44:55
It seems people are missing the obvious point, that if you have one new school with 14 class rooms, it will be cheaper than 2 schools with 7. And the economies of scale probably mean you could have one school with 16 rooms being cheaper than 2 with 7...

I agree though, this is contingent on reinvesting the money back into the system, not as part of some wider cost cuts (and with hopefully not all money being swallowed up by teachers pay increases)..as deserving as they are, etc.
13

Gothic Rose,

27/02/2008 13:51:55
3#Urban guerilla.
Bit of a generalisation is it not?
14

Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 27/02/2008 14:06:07
#13, yes - but sometimes generalisations are true!
15

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 27/02/2008 14:19:18
Slow news day. A story about Stranraer's 80 new fruit machines. That Edinburgh Council might close a couple of schools and LibDems dont like packaging. All very Newsworthy i'm sure, but why nothing on Nicola Sturgeons call for the closure of the Scotland Office?
Maybe Steven Pia is on Holiday and hasn't told them what to write.
16

britfree,

camelon 27/02/2008 14:21:15
drug-users to lose their benefits, the long-term unemployed to lose their council houses. and still the repellant labourites slither on to these threads to miscall the "tartan tories" i mean, the sheer hypocricy of these people. the most extreme right government the YUK has ever known. and they attempt to claim the moral and political high ground , vote them OUT
17

`Side show bob,

27/02/2008 14:37:57
Seems to me the New SNP/libdums council is just picking up the pieces from that last lot but the closing down of any school must have a proper consultation period with all parents.
18

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27/02/2008 15:10:11
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Very Concerned Resident,

Planet Earth 27/02/2008 15:27:20
Less schools = less capacity = potential physical problems in ensuring all P1/P2/P3 classes are 18 pupils or less.

I think Councillors querying the logic of shutting schools, against this current national policy background, are simply asking the questions they should be asking.
20

kimba,

27/02/2008 15:37:18
sgurr. please, you are really are a total tw-t
21

`Side show bob,

27/02/2008 15:58:09
#21 The Master/kimba

Funny at this if you can!! That post by kimba has all the correct spaces and , in the correct place. Now i have seen some posts by kimba that are a complete disaster and are so bad that only someone with a degree of intelect could have made the mistakes up as to poo poo poo other posters into thinking that she was really an idiot from Sunderland.

Now i ask my self, what time is Farmfoods open to?
22

kimba,

27/02/2008 16:09:24
22. And yet we get another moron,hay ho!
23

kimba,

27/02/2008 16:10:39
ps. The master has nothing to do with me.
24

Top Floor,

27/02/2008 16:14:27
#5 You're right, I don't think anyone is having at go at the SNP govt, they're merely asking the question that if we want to reduce class sizes (and most do)then closing schools could seriously damage our chances of achieving it.

Trouble is some SNP goons on this site can't recognise a genuine question and debate when they see one and immediately adopt their knee-jerk defensive stance.
25

Jimmy the Pie,

27/02/2008 16:19:21
Non story. Who listens to the New Labour Sleaze and Corruption Party (North British Branch) any more??? They're an extinct species like the Whigs, National Front, Social Democrats.
They had their time in power and screwed it up.
Time to humour them like an errant child.
26

Top Floor,

27/02/2008 16:28:32
#26

What an intelligent contribution.

We're all much better informed now.
27

Andrew Allan,

27/02/2008 18:42:13
Class sizes above the national average, for the unionists read unionist average ;-), this doesn't mean somehow the class sizes are huge or bursting at the seams, the sizes of classes are still down, and so it is a sad fact we don't need, or should I say can't afford all of the schools.
28

Resolutions,

27/02/2008 19:16:59
#15 May I point out that Moray did not follow the guidelines laid down by the previous administration about the closure of rural schools. In this case, the school was more than 3 miles from the nearest primary and that primary was not offering the same standard of education or better than the snall school. At the same time, the local education department seemed to ignore the fact that there was a scheme to attract young families into the glen. Talk about shooting yourself!

For the urban schools, I am not sure about guidelines here, but what is in place still is the what was laid down by the previous administration. I suggest you all go digging and find out what they actually are! Then ensure that the local authority follows them to the letter. And they should keep an eye on how they deliver the class sizes which was part of their funding agreement, if I recollect correctly.

As for madness - the nuttiest seems to be Aberdeen at present! Passed an Arts Centre in Union Terrace Gdns and closing schools(and made a mess of that process so far!) leisure facilities _Bon Accord Pool, the farm outside the town renowned as centre of rare breeds to mention a few and yet they have money to create an un-needed centre and vandalise a lovely urban garden! That is bonkers! If they can meet their committments in the funding agreement, it will be a miracle!
29

Pilrig.,

Livingston 27/02/2008 20:21:35
19 - spot on. When it came to wasting cooncil taxpayers' dosh on zany schemes, Cooncillor Burns was in a class of his own.
30

alanh,

ek 27/02/2008 21:51:31
In EK under the nu lab +lib dum parliament in a nu lab council they have halved the number of secondary schools from 6 to 3.
Didnt seee many papers against this ridiculous situation. Now the nu labs are trying to score points about potential school closures .
I wonder how many years they will need to be out of power to get used to opposition?
31

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27/02/2008 22:32:09
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32

Plimsoul,

27/02/2008 23:19:30
#9 "Millions" Come, come now John, you exagerate. Millions it certainly was not.
33

Resolutions,

28/02/2008 00:38:02
#31 You obviously do not know the rules or the area. 3 miles is the distance and actually it is more than 6 miles and over a road most coould not travel on a daily basis let alone babes of 5 or 7 .
Perhaps Moray Council should be raising the standards in all its schools to match the Glen one as the nearest one is not one of the better schools. Bluntly, it is not the school many would choose, but in this area they have little choice.
The main point is more children in the school would reduce the cost, which I am pretty certain is one of Moray Council education department's exaggerations.

To casually throw something about when it is something you have read without checking out the facts, is not acceptable. And may I re-iterrate! The Rules were laid down by the PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION. A rural situation must be sized up individually. Nor should a community have a school closed without looking beyond the purely closed shop education. Other communities should take heart from this.
34

An Beal Bacht,

28/02/2008 04:58:33
Women should have more kids.
35

glassbenmhor,

28/02/2008 08:16:45
LABOUR SOUNDS NU/LABOUR CLOSING

GRUPPENFUEHRER/COMRADE-GENERAL BURNS:- DUE TO MEMBERS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY NOT PAYING THEIR SUBS CONSTITUENCY OFFICES WILL BE CLOSED UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE
36

glassbenmhor,

28/02/2008 08:21:57
Mrs Keeley from Greater Glasgow said,"there's nothing new here ,whenever I went to see my Labour Office and MSP it was closed with a note saying gone golfing but leave a note in the cigarette bin,we'll get back to you!"
37

Draconion,

Musselburgh 28/02/2008 13:58:34
Typical Labour!! Make a complete erse of something then whinge when someone else tries to sort it out.

The Reverend "Whited Sepulchre" Aitken is the same girning about cuts to community education provision when he's responsible for the state it's in now.

 

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