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Schools saved by the bell...for now



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Published Date: 01 March 2008
SECONDARY schools in Edinburgh have been given a three-year reprieve from possible closure.
Education leaders today revealed that no secondaries will be axed as they draw up their new hit-list of schools.

In the last programme of proposed closures, abandoned after a public outcry, three secondary schools were on the list.

They say th
e decision to exclude them from consideration this time around has been made after "listening to parents".

But as they made the announcement, a cross-party group met behind closed doors yesterday to decide which primary schools will be placed on the next hit-list.

It is understood that while individual schools have not yet been identified, certain areas of the city have been earmarked for possible closures. Fears have already been raised that the primary schools that will ultimately face the axe will be in the city's most deprived communities.

Terry Wrigley, a senior lecturer in educational development at Edinburgh University, welcomed news that secondaries had been thrown a lifeline.

However, Dr Wrigley today warned that the criteria being used to decide which schools will shut would lead to deprived areas being hit once again. The criteria includes poor exam results, falling rolls and high running costs.

He said: "My initial thoughts are of relief that they haven't gone for the secondaries which would have been very damaging.

"With regard to primary schools, it became very apparent when we studied the details last time that they had chosen the poorest parts of the city and there is a fear that the criteria this time will mean the poorer parts of Edinburgh are hit again.

"The issue is, of course, that cost is higher in areas where there is the greatest need.

"Also, results vary in accordance to measures of advantage and disadvantage in areas."

The news that secondary schools are safe from this round of closures will come as a relief to Castlebrae and Drummond community high schools and Wester Hailes Education Centre, the three which faced closure when the council drew up its last hit-list.

Gillian Tee, the city's director of education, said the secondary school estate would not be reviewed until the six new schools being built under PPP2 weree operational.

She said: "We have listened to parents and have identified educational reasons for not going ahead with the secondary sector at this stage.

"While we are confident that secondary school rolls are going to fall, the impact of this fall is only just starting to be evident.

"The council is currently building six new secondary schools. It will be important to analyse the impact of these new schools on parental choice before reviewing the secondary sector.

"Any further review would coincide with the new schools opening in 2010/11."





The full article contains 466 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 01 March 2008 10:36 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Edinburgh school closures
 
1

rs,

n about 01/03/2008 12:13:02
mmmm.

and in 3 years time it will be election time.

or has the Council ran out of money?
2

alex paterson,

embra 01/03/2008 13:30:12
Close schools and then complain about education standards and class sizes,its time the council went back to school.
3

Bob 2,

01/03/2008 13:50:52
Alex

a secondary school is a wee bit different from a Primary.

A high school needs a "large" number of kids to offer a wide range of subject to pupils.

if a high school (eg Castlebrae) has a low pupil roll, then it can't offer a wide variety of subjects.
If a high school has a high pupil roll then it can offer more subjets and employ more teachers.
4

alex paterson,

embra 01/03/2008 15:37:54
#3
Bob this is what happens when you have large class sizes,Subjets,and you said it,more teachers more wages.
5

Boy Wonder,

01/03/2008 16:47:49
Question ... If these are all "community schools" ... why aren't the communities concerned using them as well as the pupils? Day and Evening?

Answer: No janitorial coverage in the evening, so they don't open!

Ergo ... they are not community schools, are they? That's why they're up for the chop time after time!





6

yvonne mc,

leith 01/03/2008 16:49:13
I would like to thank the evening news and everyone who helped with the drummond campaign,we need our schools we need to remember that the children in our schools are our future
we need to help and support them in every way that we can,and them having a good education can only help them.not hinder them.
7

Dunaskin,

01/03/2008 19:54:26
Hmmmm. Seems that populism wins against hard facts. The three secondaries short-listed for closure were (surprise, surprise!) the three worst academic performers in Edinburgh. Yvonne, I'm sorry, your children may get a good education at DCHS, but they'd almost certainly get a better education somewhere else. I've met Jon Reid - he's a great guy with great plans for DCHS and I wish him well. But I really, really, don't want my children to go there.
8

Finbarr Saunders,

01/03/2008 21:07:22
So, for the next three years, taxpayers will foot the unnecessary cost of keeping these sub-standard schools open to appease the mouthie, benefit-scroungers who want to send their neddish offspring to these sub-standard schools, because that's where they went and it done them no harm!

Don't know why they care, anyway. Most of the kids concerned will be in and out of jail all their lives!
9

Moder8,

EDINBURGH 01/03/2008 23:59:20
It is difficult in monetary terms to justify keeping WHEC, DCHS and Castlebrae HS open when it costs in excess of £6000 per capita per year to keep a pupil at these schools.
It might be cheaper to send the pupils to a private school.
10

COLINTON.MAINS,

Oakville Ontario 02/03/2008 00:30:06
just put it on the back burner just now let some one else deal with it
11

123abc,

02/03/2008 01:53:39
#5: DCHS was packed at 'the big event' on saturday with adult education stalls, performances, school exhibitions etc etc

#7: You are so wrong. My daughter is at DCHS & I can assure you it is a wonderful school.
12

Mr Fuzzy,

Edinburgh 02/03/2008 05:14:47
#3
I went to a large high school (during the oil boom of the 1980's the school roll increased from the 1200 to over 2000). Having a school "bursting at the seams" is not a very pleasant environment. It would take 10 minutes to get through the busiest corridor while walking like penguins because it was so crowded. Just because there is a wide range of subjects available (haven't physics, chemistry and biology been merged into general science?) doesn't guarantee that you will cover all the course material due to classroom disruption.
13

rs,

02/03/2008 09:38:10
boy wonder wou'll find that edinburgh has a thriving use of schools in the evening as well as an adult eduction programme delivered through the oommunity high schools and its adult eduation programme (which as part of its budget proposals the council is trying cut).

no 7, bit of a contradiction, given that Castlebrae HS is being replaced by a new school, while schools that are succeeding are crumbling at the seams.
14

Bob 2,

02/03/2008 09:50:17
no 12 (1980's that was 20 years ago)

my point was more to do were you have a high school with a low school role, if you only have 300/400/500 kids in a school spread over 6 "years" , then there is little scope for the school to over a wide range of subjects,

The subjects (and levels) on offer have grown since the 80's.

In an ideal world you'd give schools budgets to spend on more teachers, rather than having tiers of paper shuffling management.

The Councils budget summary highlights this
http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/internet/Council/Council_tax_and_finance/Council_budget/CEC_council_budget_2008_09

see last para

again should we have 2 high schools with 2 Headteachers earning £50k a year, along with the support staff, when other schools only have 1 with the same number of pupils.
Money like this could be better spent on teachers
15

Dunaskin,

Edinburgh 02/03/2008 15:45:02
#13 Castlebrae is being replaced, yes - but the 'plan' was still to close it. There is a big issue with social exclusion, community, etc, when a school closes. Which is one reason why I think WHEC and Castlebrae may well survive in the long run. DCHS - the plan is/was to move the secondary school function elsewhere (Broughton, Trinity) and move Broughton Primary and St Mary's RC Primary into the DCHS building. No reason why the community use of DCHS couldn't continue.
New buildings don't automatically correlate to good teaching. I went to an Edinburgh comprehensive in the late 70's that was decrepit even then (still is), but the teaching and ethos and attainment was top-notch, and still is.
#11 - I didn't say that DCHS is a bad school, I just don't believe that it is, yet, a successful school. I know there are issues with transient families, high numbers where English is not their first language, but I want to know that my kids are going somewhere that will help them make the most of themselves, in an environment of other achievers. The 6th year at DCHS is tiny, as it is a) a small school and b) has low retention rates. The kids will not get the same breadth of experience, opinion and feedback that they would in a larger 6th year.
16

rs,

at school 02/03/2008 19:22:43
NO15

yes I am aware the CCHS was on the closure list and the areas issues.

When the New school is built, it will still have the stigma attached to it.

As you will be aware many parents have sent there kids elsewhere.

It would be interesting to see what the
exam results %'s would be, if they done an analysis based on the catchment area for CCHS (taking in the kids that go elsehwhere).

 

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