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No lifelines for under-threat bus routes as £2m pot empty



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Published Date: 12 July 2008
HOPES of saving under-threat bus services have been dealt a blow after it emerged that a £2 million dividend paid to the city council by Lothian Buses has already been spent.
The cash was paid to city leaders by the bus company in March and put into a central pot for other council services.

However, it has only been in recent weeks that the extent of the problems facing Lothian Buses have become clear.

As revealed i
n the Evening News yesterday, the council-backed firm is blaming disruption to services by tram roadworks for a five per cent drop in passenger numbers so far this year. Hopes that the council could ease the company's financial pressures by declining some or all of its dividend have now been dashed, after it confirmed today the money had already been spent.

Karen Kelly, the council's head of financial services, said: "The council received a £2m dividend covering 2007 from Lothian Buses in March this year. This money was added to the council budget and has been spent on services.

"As previously stated, we will await the results of the service review and work with Lothian Buses on viable options to help them through the current financial climate."

Lothian Buses yesterday posted results showing profits rose by 20 per cent to £5.9m during 2007.

However, the firm has warned it is now facing the toughest trading conditions for a decade and is looking to axe a number of loss-making services.

The Evening News understands loss-making services are likely to remain under threat for the next three years, while the tram line is completed, unless passenger numbers pick up.

Announcing the results, company chairman Pilmar Smith admitted 2008 was proving to be "particularly challenging".

Passengers made a record 114 million trips on Lothian Buses last year – the ninth in a row that the firm has seen passenger numbers rise. But the rising price of diesel, a wider economic slowdown and tram roadworks have severely dented passenger numbers and profit levels at the bus firm over the past six months.

In March, Lothian Buses revealed it was facing a £4m shortfall because of increases in tax and fuel costs, as well as a Scottish Government freeze on a rebate to transport operators used to cover rises in fuel duty.

The financial problems saw the company raise bus fares by 10p in April, and passengers were warned that there would be more fare hikes in future years.

Despite these problems, councillor Andrew Burns, the former Labour transport leader, said: "The local authority has an annual revenue budget of over £800m, and Lothian Buses an annual turnover of just under £100m. Between them, they should be capable of finding a workable solution to the financial pressures being experienced."

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The full article contains 479 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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1

Toast,

12/07/2008 14:05:11
So much for trying to get people to use public transport,politicians are just big bags of wind.
2

Dragonlord,

12/07/2008 14:11:51
The trams will be the death of this city. Not only are bus users down, but shop takings too. Even if we bite the bullet and wait until they are up and running, things will be so far gone, they will never recover.If you beleive people will come just to see a tram then you should get out more.Lothian buses are supposed to put money into the council coffers and not the other way round. If fuel costs make it harder to budget buses than increase the fares.
3

Labour Sleeze Reporter,

12/07/2008 14:24:14
"Passengers made a record 114 million trips on Lothian Buses last year – the ninth in a row that the firm has seen passenger numbers rise."

So they will have lots of the previous profits in the bank that they can call on, surely.
4

Mikey,

12/07/2008 15:36:24
I don't think they can win, can they? The professional moaners would be at it if money was produced to subsidise the routes and now they moan when money isn't produced! What is it boys? Do you really have brains or are you just clockwork toys?
5

Statsman,

Edinburgh 12/07/2008 16:02:27
"[C]ouncillor Andrew Burns, the former Labour transport leader, said: "The local authority has an annual revenue budget of over £800m, and Lothian Buses an annual turnover of just under £100m. Between them, they should be capable of finding a workable solution to the financial pressures being experienced.""

Maybe if you hadn't spent money the council didn't have on transport vanity projects, we wouldn't be in this mess Councillor Burns! CETMS was a disaster.
6

Grumpy,

12/07/2008 16:07:00
And if you otice the big sign at Piershill just before the (soon to be demoloshed) Meadowbank Stadium, you'l see a sign thet says "All shops in Edinburgh open for business" - that is, those that haven't gone out of business o/a/ the trams, and those that soon will when you can't get a bus to them.

The answer to the whole problem is - shop in Livingston, Dalkeith, Musselburgh or Penicuik - just avoid Edinburgh at all costs.
7

Statsman,

Edinburgh 12/07/2008 16:13:24
Less bus services and higher bus fares - all because of trams.

All the stuff we were assured was not going to happen at the outset is happening. Bus services slashed, bus fares rising, businesses going to the wall, congestion everywhere, the council so desperate for money it would give planning permission for a 1,000ft tall portaloo on the Castle Esplanade if it meant some precious tram cash etc.

The worst of it is that the track hasn't even been laid yet!
8

Evia,

12/07/2008 17:17:17
Whoever voted for the trams should be lynched. The whole business has made such a mess of our once beautiful city and this was only to line the pockets of the few. The taxpayers are paying out, once again, for what they don't want. I have a very wide circle of acquaintances and not one wants the trams.
9

Dragonlord,

12/07/2008 17:57:44
This could be good news for the city. Less buses means less polution. During the drivers strike they admitted the traffic ran smoother with the bus lanes off. They would not produce polution figures, but I am willing to bet the air was better too.
10

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 12/07/2008 18:33:27
Another example of largesse with council tax payers' money. Criteria? What criteria? So if they didn't perform so what? The money's gone!

See how far you get with that attitude in the real world where people have to justify what they do and account for failure. A splendid example of how easy it is to spend other peoples' money without a thought.
11

James (1),

12/07/2008 18:57:28
Come on people give the trams a chance! They will save Edinburgh, cure cancer, make all shops profitable, stop people over eating and smoking and cure knife crime. All this if you would only give it a chance!

So what if there are fewer buses? The tram line will solve this problem.
Meanwhile increase the bus fares on all buses until the completion of the tram line.
Drivers will be happier as they will have more room on the road.
It's a win win situation. Cheap at the very expensive price we will have to pay.
12

geekpie,

forfar 12/07/2008 19:16:19
The people who whinge about the trams tend to be rather parochial and have often never been to a city with trams.
13

rs,

in ma house 12/07/2008 19:28:29
3 Labour Sleeze Reporter, 12/07/2008 14:24:14
..
....So they will have lots of the previous profits in the bank that they can call on, surely..

Unlike The Labour Councils from 1975 Until 2007, which blew millions on Project and Plans that never took off.

Lothian Buses has spent its money wisely and INVESTED the PASSENGERS FARES in buying BRAND NEW buses each year, not just a few like FIRST BUS.

Take a look at the majority of there main services, Brand New Easy Access Buses.

With an aim to have all there services like this within the next few years.

Theres is a solution of course, like any Company, they could ask there investors and have a share issues.?
14

rs,

in ma house 12/07/2008 19:30:55
no9

lets try the opposite and remove all cars from the road, like the school holidays just now, buses are running a bit better, less cars less congestion.

Things will of course get worse when the trams are up and running, with buses and cars sharing the same road space in many parts.
15

Dragonlord,

12/07/2008 20:56:40
12# That is such a stupid statement.
14# They haven't tried taking all the cars off the road, but they have with buses, What I want, is them to publish the air quality figures for that period.
16

GraemeH,

Edinburgh 12/07/2008 21:02:14
#12 - The people who are against the tram have in many cases spent considerable time looking at the massive flaws in the Edinburgh plans and the incompetence of the people charged with delivering it.

People who are pro-tram tend to be incapable of presenting clear reasons why.
17

tree,

Edinburgh 12/07/2008 21:22:12
Lothian Buses should improve their loss making services rather than scrap them. They could also start by providing a service to South Queensferry, which pays Edinburgh rates and shouldn't have to endure the relatively poor and expensive "service" they get from First Buses.

And why are Lothian Buses so cheap anyway? Comparative all days fares in London are £3.50, Glasgow £3.20, Manchester from £3 to £4.30 depending on which bus service(s) you want to use. Even Australia (Melbourne) is more expensive at $10.10 for an all day zones 1 and 2 ticket 9around £4+ at today's exchange rate. Yet here, four years ago an all day peak ticket cost £2.60 and now costs £2.50!

18

craig7653,

Port Seton 12/07/2008 22:31:02
The thing to worry about is when the trams come in the council will sell the shares in Lothain Buses and then edinburgh will become like all other uk cities. Poor services, expensive fares and no more new buses. Lothian Buses will become like Firstbus, stagecoach etc.
19

rs,

in ma house 13/07/2008 09:09:51
15 Dragonlord

2 points about the LOTHIAN BUSES drivers strike.

FIRST, STAGECOACH AND CITYLINK were still operating.
The stike was short and the weather was good and many people either reverted to
Taking a day off
Waling or Cycling
or using the Other Bus companies (yes they only operate on the main routes).

What impact would a 5 day strike in the middle of winter had?

If everyone that used a bus USED a car Edinburgh would become gridlocked, imagine at Peak Times for every bus you could potentially have 150 more cars on the road, for every peak time bus (12m long) you would have 150 cars taking up 450m of road space.

Take at look at the City bypass, not a bus in sight, but gridlock every morning.

Car drivers and congestion, they see everyone else as causing the congestion but never themselves (comment that someone else made in these pages)
20

rs,

in ma house 13/07/2008 09:22:36
17 the tree,

catch 22,

People need a frequent reliable service,

A bus service relies on passengers to attract this service, the more people who use the service the better the service provided.

The more people who use their car instead of the bus , doesn't help keep/get a good service.

Less People, result frequency is reduced

So less people use the bus and so on.

Lothian Buses (correct me if this has changed) is also owned by East/west/mid Lothian councils).

West Lothian doesn't have a Lothian Bus Service at all.

Go beyond Seton Sands/Tranent during the day and palces like North Berwick/Dunbar rely on FIRST and its PUBLIC TRANSPORT MONOPOLY.

Trying living in these places were the Evening/Sunday service is hourly.

17 Tree, think we all know the answer to that question, they aren't owned by big multi national companies Like FIRST or STAGECOACH.

Who have tiers of highly paid management and debts to pay.

Edinburgh dense population also keeps the fares down.

LB Invest Passengers Fares in NEW BUSES and actually maintaining there buses.
21

Thomas the Tank,

Edinburgh 13/07/2008 09:22:54
RS@ 13 - 'Theres is a solution of course, like any Company, they could ask there investors and have a share issues' - as LB are 95% (or so) owned by EmbraCooncil, that's exactly what they have done. Unfortunately, the Shareholder has told them to sod-off, because they want to spend OUR money on a new, shiny TramCar LINE, whether we want or need it, or not.
22

Evia,

13/07/2008 17:34:34
11
James (1)

Come on people give the trams a chance! They will save Edinburgh, cure cancer, make all shops profitable, stop people over eating and smoking and cure knife crime. All this if you would only give it a chance!

So what if there are fewer buses? The tram line will solve this problem.
Meanwhile increase the bus fares on all buses until the completion of the tram line.
Drivers will be happier as they will have more room on the road.
It's a win win situation. Cheap at the very expensive price we will have to pay.

The tram line only serves one part of Edinburgh so it's only going to held a few people.

A tram will not cure cancer and will only reduce the pollution on the route it serves. There are many other causes of cancer so we cannot blame the buses for that.

If you believe in what you wrote in your first paragraph, think again.

23

rs,

in ma house 13/07/2008 20:49:56
NO 22 EVIA
TRAMTASTIC NEWS just in.

Trams will

STOP GLOBAL WARMING
STOP THIRD WORLD POVERTY

watch this space for more ground braking news.

24

Ian down under,

Kawerau 13/07/2008 21:57:34
I still can't understand the neverending flow of LB buses to Wallyford. Nothing against Wallyford but it is already heavily served by First buses and has a rail station too. I would estimate there are enough seats on trains and buses each hour to take the whole population to Edinburgh every hour.
We need to have franchised routes with a laid down service standard for each operator then a joint fares collection system with ticketing available throughout all operators [including rail and trams] in the area.
How much of the LB loss is because they have wasteful duplication with First
25

rs,

in ma house 13/07/2008 22:06:46
NO24

they route has to stop somewhere.

Lothian Buses , if i remember rightly started running this route in 1986, FIRST (Eastern Scottish) at the time, stopped the 130 service and ran a 161? via Leith ?

Lothian have simple standard already, LOW FARES, NEW BUSES, CLEAN BUSES, HIGH MAINTENANCE, REGULAR SERVICE.

FIRST by there own admission, would love to be in Lothian Buses shoes.

If FIRST has there way we would have the opposite.

26

rs,

in ma house 13/07/2008 22:24:44
Lothian & FIRST at one point in the evenings and on Sundays allowed each others Season Tickets to be allowed on each others Buses.

But FIRST started a Bus War, and the agreement was pulled
27

Ian down under,

Kawerau 14/07/2008 00:00:28
We need to force the bus companies and Scotrail to interchange tickets and have interchangeable day/week passes.
My point about Wallyford is that it has an overlavish service and yet some places have sparse or no service.
It is almost like the 1980s when privatisation of buses had companies flooding routes with cheap and even free services just to squeeze out competition.
If we must have different companies then we need to coordinate services to makes sure we have less of this feast or famine. Wallyford is not reaally a good place for terminating buses as they have traffic calmed the main street and it is really only one lane now.
There are also some notable service losses such as the old Eastern Scottish 132/133 services which gave Musselburgh an hourly link via Danderhall/Craigmillar to Edinburgh via the bridges. We used that to go to the city centre but it was also great for other places like Clerk St and the Commonwealth pool which now need 2 buses.
28

Pond Hall,

14/07/2008 13:27:43
no 25/27 re wallyford buses.

One of the buses I use goes though wallyford,

Strange thing is that the Traffic Calming on the West side of Wallyford was removed when the New Housing schemes were built.
Contradiction in itself, given the INCREASE in cars due to the new developments.

East Lothian Council, as you will be aware has just invested in extending the Car Park at Wallyford and introduce a Park and Ride site (for Trains and buses).

So presumably the frequency of buses will hopefully attract people to use it.

Never happy, Not Enought Buses, we moan, Too Many Moan.

You must do some commute from Kawerau everyday

There is currently a scheme called One Ticket, which offers Use on Both the Bus and Train. Expensive though .

Would you think that FIRST would want its main competitor to have use of its Train Services, maybe something that should be written into the SCOTRAIL CONTRACT next time.

Would agree 100% that we should have a fully intergrated transport System, offering everyone in the lothians area Low Fares, Good Frequency Public transport system.
29

Joe,

Livingston 14/07/2008 18:06:25
I blame the SNP..trams should have been abandoned in favour of the direct Edinburgh Airport rail link.
The trams are SNP folly, a folly they will never be allowed to forget.
30

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15/07/2008 05:27:27
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31

Don't believe the hype.,

Embra 24/07/2008 13:41:34
Go back to the Charlie Evans days and things would be worse...... Neil Renilson takes a bloody nose from nobody.

 

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