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Hearts are on the rise – despite ref's efforts



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Published Date: 18 August 2008
HEARTS fans don't mind losing. We don't like it, but it happens from time to time. But we do resent being robbed. Sure, we were outplayed for large periods at Ibrox on Saturday, but had probably done just enough to snatch a point back to Edinburgh. Until, that is, the referee stepped in. Or rather, didn't.
How many times have we seen it happen when playing the Old Firm? They get the breaks, smaller clubs don't. Rangers get a penalty, and face a side down to ten men for the final 18 minutes after a cheap, curious red card for Saulius Mikoliunas.

But
when the ball thunders off the arm of a Rangers player, the referee either doesn't see it or turns a blind eye. Typical. Had that happened in an Old Firm derby, there would have been hell to pay. The Sunday newspapers would have back page headlines screaming about the controversy. Because it involved Hearts, nobody says 'boo'.

I've said before I do not believe our referees are corrupt. But you have to question their consistency and ability. The penalty at that stage would have allowed Hearts, who were on the ascendancy having played a defensive game, to equalise. It is unlikely Rangers would have grabbed a second thereafter.

As it happened, they almost didn't, thanks to a heroic effort from young Jamie Macdonald in goal. But there you have it. Instead we have to pick ourselves up, accept that we won't get the breaks, and take heart in the positive from Saturday.

For me, the splendid showing from young Jason Thomson at left back was of real encouragement. As was that of the team as whole. There was discipline, steel and vigour in the way they stuck to their task, exemplified by the fact that they had Rangers on the back foot as the game grew old.

Of course, there is still much to improve in time. But it was heartening to see them trying, playing for each other, having a go and not lying down after losing the first.

I only hope they can build on that, and in Csaba Laszlo, we may just have the man to make it happen. He was kicking every ball from the touchline. And as Miko walked past him following his double booking, the hand of consolation was there, a sure sign of good man management.

Perhaps he will sit the Lithuanian down and advise him he could have been smarter in making the tackle after being booked already. But I have sympathy, given that it was his first real challenge of the game.

In Miko's case in Scotland, the presumption from referees is of guilt rather than innocence. Only the referee can justify why he felt it necessary to treat him so harshly, while allowing equally sturdy challenges from Rangers to go unchecked. I have little doubt Vladimir Romanov will have been furious at the event, and it will only serve to embolden his view of a GFA conspiracy. As is his right.

Only I would hope that he could try and resist the temptation to unleash his anger on the authorities at this early stage. Doing so would only prove a distraction from the good work that is being done by the new management team.

We don't need to indulge in more the 'siege mentality' that has hung over Tynecastle like a cloud in recent months right now, no matter how frustrated each and every one of us feels.

We shouldn't dwell on a single defeat, particularly at Ibrox. Let's pick ourselves up and look ahead to this Saturday and the visit of St Mirren. And work out just where the goals will come from.

It is clear that we need to strengthen the business end of the team, find someone with that cutting edge to do some real damage. But I would expect the talent on our books will be more than a match for the Buddies who, let's face it, should pose no real threat.

Gary Glen, I'd wager, would be one player in the running for a start, probably with young Andrew Driver. I'd like to see someone through the middle, at least at home, on our own turf, with the weight of the support behind them.

We already have speed on the wings, a robust midfield and the defence looks more solid this weather, despite the stats which are showing that it has leaked four goals in two games.

I suspect that as summer turns to autumn, the players will warm to the new management team which now includes Stevie Banks. As the new style and camaraderie takes a grip, we will see growing improvement.

I've never been slow to criticise where I've felt it deserved. But equally, I hope I am fair when praise is required, like now. Speak to any Jambo you meet and they will almost all now be filled with a cautious optimism about recent events.

It is too early to judge, of course it is. But for now it is worth enjoying, it is worth believing, it might even be worth dreaming. After all the cup season is all but upon us.

And, for my money, this developing Hearts side looks to have all the hallmarks of a team that, in such competition, may very well be hard to beat. Only time – and dodgy refereeing decisions – will now tell.

Speaking of cups, I am looking forward to the forthcoming visit of Airdrie United to Tynecastle – not least because the way the dates have fallen, I will be able to make the midweek fixture.

There is always something a wee bit special about not just one-off games like this, but ones that are played on midweek evenings.

Maybe it's the floodlights, maybe it's the noise of the crowd against the murmur of the city outside the gates, but there is a particular atmosphere that seems to make such events all the more exciting.





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  • Last Updated: 18 August 2008 11:35 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Heart of Midlothian FC
 
1

Realistic Jambo,

Penicuik 18/08/2008 12:12:56
"I suspect that as summer turns to autumn, the players will warm to the new management team which now includes Stevie Banks."

No it doesn't George.
2

Chas Niceass,

18/08/2008 12:13:04
George as a politician I implore you to take some political action with the SFA/SPL.

This weekend Saul Mikoliunas last weekend Audrius Ksanavicius booked for simulation.

Referees Ian Brines and Stuart Dougal have failed in these 2 weeks to similarly punish simulation of David Clarkson, Kirk Broadfoot during our matches and yesterday Brines watched Scott Robertson of United go to ground without any contact.

The prejudice must end here.

Hearts fans and fans of other clubs must unite to stop the bias and prejudice that exists for a fair league for all.

Something should also be done to stop these charlatans with whistles getting paid more when in reality they dont earn it and clearly do not have decent human values, their prejudice disgusts me.
3

victorian of gorgie ,

18/08/2008 12:16:46
#2 chas, the patron saint of sporting chance, if there ever was such a thing, would weep at the events of saturday. it's an abomination, not sport in the true sense.

no wonder people are turned away from football.

4

We love fitba,

google! 18/08/2008 12:18:24
"It is worth enjoying, it is worth believing, it might even be worth dreaming."

Here we go. The wind changes direction and - oh look! - so does George Foulkes. You certainly have a politician's instinct for staying "in" with the people.

When it looked as if the Jambos were finally waking up to Romanov, you became more vocal with your criticism. Now it seems the faithful are back in line, so what's your point of view? Let's start believing again.

It's quite pathetic, really. Is there a SINGLE Jambo who is prepared to stand up against Vlad? He's killing your club, you know... though it looks more like death from a thousand cuts rather than a swift execution.
5

Capital,

Near Gorgie 18/08/2008 12:22:07
George,
in view of the latest situation with Steven Banks and the threat of a Kaunas coach are you still optomistic?
6

Dave Mc,

18/08/2008 12:36:18
"For me, the splendid showing from young Jason Thomson at left back was of real encouragement."

I sincerely hope you're joking George as the boy Thomson had a 'mare! I'm all for supporting the young boys coming through but every time he cleared the ball it went straight to a Rangers player. He was our poorest player other than Kingston
7

capy,

embra 18/08/2008 12:41:14
Good to see Lord F has his finger on the pulse.I will sleep easier in my bed.
8

Johnny Jambo,

18/08/2008 12:44:31
George, you say you dont believe referees are corrupt, how do you explain your sentence about Hearts being "robbed" is that not similar????

If it was robbery then it assumes that the ref turned a blind eye, otherwise it was an error and not corruption.

I think we should start using off field technology and experts talk to the ref about "dubious" decisions
9

Johnny Jambo,

18/08/2008 12:46:51
Oh and incidentally, how do you believe "Hearts are on the rise", is it because we won one of our two opening games or because we only lost 2-0 to Rangers.

I cannot see us being that much better than we did last year unless the other teams in the SPL are poorer than we are. Some said that Hamilton wouold save us this season, well results are so far not showing that.
10

Super Ally WATP,

somewhere 18/08/2008 12:47:31
Its about bloody time we had someone challengeing Killie for 6th place.
11

Chas Niceass,

18/08/2008 12:49:06
#3 VI What do we do about it though.
I have a dream of the other 40 Scottish League Clubs fans, marching from Ibrox to Parkhead then down onto Hampden in a show of defiance.
Unfortunately I dont think most folk are as pee'd as I am, and the thing is we wrote the script on these boards on Friday, we even know how its going to happen these days.
12

victorian of gorgie ,

18/08/2008 12:57:42
#11 chas, i know it's a sad indictment that we all predicted what was coming and were proved to be 100% correct. what can we do about it? very little.
13

Hibernianinc,

18/08/2008 13:00:04
Why, oh why does George not have his own fringe show?

His hilarious ramblings about how good Labour are while they get pumped at every opportunity by the SNP are legendary.

Now this tosh, waxing lyrical about unity at the PBS.

Oh my sides.
14

Super Ally WATP,

Somewhere 18/08/2008 13:04:21
"But when the ball thunders off the arm of a Rangers player, the referee either doesn't see it or turns a blind eye."

Exactly HOW was it a hand ball? Bougherras HEAD and BACK were both turned, his elbow was held in to his chest, and th eball thundered of the back of his elbow.

Some Hearts fans need to get it through them, your PASH. Get on with it.
15

Hoogel,

18/08/2008 13:05:09
#11.
The inconsistency of refs when teams play the OF is getting beyond a joke and is bordering on blatant cheating. The first booking for "Miko" was because of who he is and a reaction to the baying mass of the stands, rather than what he did, as it was no different to what Broadfoot had already done.

The bias is getting to the point where you wonder if you have to score two to the OFs one to even get a draw.
Unless something is done soon, some drunken idiot will take it upon them self to right the wrong, which will end up with the offending club being hammered.
The only way forward is to have foreign refs who are not tainted by the OF fans and do not read the Daily Record (the apologists for all things Glasgow!).

As for Foulkes, he needs to just go away as he is clearly an out touch of self publicising buffoon!

16

Chas Niceass,

18/08/2008 13:05:12
#12 Thats my point Vic, there probably is something collectively the fans could do.
If there was some sort of civil protest that came not just from one club but all clubs then it would get publicity outwith the country, potentially dangerous.
If anyone has the balls to do it of course, but too many of the clubs dont seem to mind and accept its "just the way it is", I dont feel I can accept it any longer.
17

Chas Niceass,

18/08/2008 13:07:36
#15 When Ferguson an ex Rangers man, was in charge of Aberdeen, his teamtalk was to tell his players of how they were effectively 1 down as soon as they walked on a pitch in Glasgow.
Coming from an ex Old Firm player, it says it all.
Well done to Aberdeen and United for overcoming this briefly in the 80's
18

victorian of gorgie ,

18/08/2008 13:10:59
#16 chas, i know exactly how you feel. i'm the same, don't know if it's worth investing so much interest and devotion to hearts in the face of it all. at the end of the day we always keep going because we have the club in our veins. i can fully understand why some just walk away and play golf instead.

19

East at Easter,

Edinburgh 18/08/2008 13:11:49
oh shut up fatty Foulkes and gaun eat some more pies ya overweight porky
20

Geo_1875,

Edinburgh 18/08/2008 13:11:59
Typical politician. Anybody that disagrees with him is wrong. Tony Bliar would be proud if him. Why is this phanny given a public forum to spout his nonsense. He is the worst kind of Hearts fan who doesn't really care what happens, he'll think it's a succesful season as long they finish above Hibs.
21

Chas Niceass,

18/08/2008 13:18:55
#18 True, golf ban cheats sine die, a game where fairness indeed does still exist. Not for me mid December though! And you dont get a pie at the 9th hole either.
22

Johnny Jambo,

18/08/2008 13:21:56
#17 Chas, were you in the dressing rooms when AF was giving his team talks?? That is nonsense, maybe he was using that terminology to motivate his team, fans are often said to be worth a goal of a start, as can be a teams reputation, he may well have been referring to the refs but that is something we will never know.
23

victorian of gorgie ,

18/08/2008 13:23:18
#21 chas, i play golf and if i was playing a match with a referee involved, and he stood on my ball or kicked my opponents ball into a better position, as well as him being laid flat out and me having a sore hand, he would very quickly be hounded out of the club/game.

shame that football doesn't place the same emphasis on fair play and integrity.

24

Chas Niceass,

18/08/2008 13:36:02
#22 JJ, no I come from Aberdeen. Its a well known quote up in these parts. Perhaps it was motivation but sadly with people like yourself around, the Mike McCurrys of this world will be allowed to harm clubs like ourselves, and the rest forever more.
I remember my father taking me to an Aberdeen Rangers League Cup Final in the 70's.
The games 90 mins had long gone, there shouldnt have been much stoppage time but with Rangers in the ascendancy, Colin Jackson, ironically an Aberdeen lad, headed the winner fully 5 mins after the 90.
Its what happened then, they do it now, but in other ways and when its clear someone has cheated (McCurry) we mark it down to an "unfortunate" day for the referee.
Funny that, I can never remember a day when Rangers or Celtic have been robbed at the hands of one of the rest of us.
Can you?
25

Johnny Jambo,

18/08/2008 13:44:25
#24 Chas, why with people like me around???

I think the answer is to bring referees in from other countries, then we have no favouritism but the problem is that this will prove too costly and will never happen. Having a pop at me on this thread will never resolve this, this " we should have had a penalty", or "he should have been sent off" or the ref was bad" scenario has been around since football began I think and nothing has been done about it so what do you suggest we do to fix it, I will be 100% with you on it.
26

Johnny Jambo,

18/08/2008 13:47:27
#24 Chas, if you speak to an OF Fan I am sure they will be able to come up with times when decisions went againt them against the rest of us as well. I agree that there are bad decisions but I don't think they are as frequent as we think and in most cases they do not determine the result.
27

scorchio,

West of the Pecos 18/08/2008 14:05:39
Mealy mouthed c*ap from George again.
Look! show some boz and spit it out. There's a bias toward the OF and it is evident for all to see.
Say it George! I'm sure you've said it in private, why not voice the same opinion in public.
28

Chas Niceass,

18/08/2008 14:10:13
#25, 26, you are a sympathist, thats why, dont take it personally though, I'm not calling you a bad person! Try telling Craig Levein and Eddie Thompson after a cup final and then in a game key to their UEFA chances that things aren't stacked agaisnt us.
I simply dont remember Celtic or Rangers EVER being affected, when playing a NON OF team of having such bad "luck".
My idea would be fans of all teams to unite and march through Glasgow with maximum publicity worldwide.
29

Staffs Hibby,

18/08/2008 14:21:50
How does this apology for a politician get so much press coverage ? Not too long ago he was vilifying Romanov and urging the Jambos to rise up and fight the Madman, now all is plain sailing down Gorgie and but for the conspiracy of the establishment, referees, the OF,& anyone you care to mention,Hertz wiz robbed on Saturday ! I've seen the highlights and though it goes against the grain ( i ain't no OF fan, quite the opposite )Mikoluinus can have no complaints, particularly given his record in this fixture, he should have been more responsible particularly after his 1st yellow. Yes Broadfoot dived and should have been booked & no it was not a penalty when it struck the back of Bougheras arm ! You Jambos are all too quick too buy into this Scottish Mafia B~~llocks that Vlad keeps banging on about, get over it ! All teams get borderline decisions in their favour over the course of a season to the chagrin of the opposition. The OF just get more because 9 times out of 10 they do more attacking in a match and have more possession than the rest of us (painful though that is to say) there is no conspiracy, get real & start questioning your owner & his inept performance before looking for Bogeymen elsewhere.
30

Robbo Robbo Robbo Robbo Robbo Robbo Robertson!,

18/08/2008 14:43:26
#29

Nothing like a good generalisation eh pal!
31

Johnny Jambo,

18/08/2008 15:20:17
#28 Chas, you wouldn't remember an OF incident, because as a fan of a team outside OF you would be saying that it wasn't an incident, that is the nature of supporting football isn't it? But I am sure there will be many OF Fans who have vivid memories of penalties not given or players who should have been sent off etc.

We need to get off the Paranoia bus, refs make mistakes we all know that, I just wish they would come out and talk about decisions after the game and admit to mistakes now and again. In addition I think there should be a panel who looks at refereeing decisions and take them to task over then regularly.
32

Staffs Hibby,

18/08/2008 15:41:29
#30
You mean like the generalisation that all Scottish referees are bent and there is a Mafia at work within the SPL;SFA & SFL to cheat HOMFC cos Vlad says so ? It was no generalisation, just Fact ie Miko deserved to walk, Bougherras was no penalty it was ball to hand, and Millers was a penalty, simple as ! Sadly it will not stop your particularly nauseous comments from appearing on these threads and killing any sort of informed debate or banter between genuine football lovers.
33

Chas Niceass,

18/08/2008 16:42:33
#31 I think I would, after all they are on the telly every single weekend and the media racket when something goes slightly amiss is deafening and unforgetable.
But the fact of the matter it doesnt happen.
In fact, here are 2 more occasions when refs were censored for not sending off players against Rangers.
Simpson on Durrant (correct I have to say) and Willie Miller for lecturing a referee, lets face it not the worst crime in the world and not worthy of being struck off.
If your happy to be trampled on then carry on, I simply am not, there we differ JJ
34

Wee Fred,

18/08/2008 17:51:15
In Fifa's Laws of the Game 2005, Law 12 says a free-kick or penalty will be awarded if a player "handles the ball deliberately (except for the goalkeeper within his own penalty area)".



If a player is facing away from the person shooting how can he handle the ball deliberately?


George Foulkes should stick to rugby.
35

Robbo Robbo Robbo Robbo Robbo Robbo Robertson!,

18/08/2008 18:24:41
#32

Firstly
Quote-
"You Jambos are all too quick too buy into this Scottish Mafia"

is that - "Fact"

great - "informed debate?" there.

Secondly - 'Wrong Robbo', the other 'Robo' is an inbred Hibs fan....like they all are. Not that I'm generalising.

In future get your "FACTS" right before you start spouting utter rubbish.
36

Robbo Robbo Robbo Robbo Robbo Robbo Robertson!,

18/08/2008 18:29:17
#34 - So if a player done a starjump on the line and the ball hit his hand you are trying to say that wouldn't merit a penalty if he wasn't facing the ball?

Bullshine
37

trueblue,

18/08/2008 22:15:51
never heard such a load of poo in my life take action against the refs funny enough i havnt yet seen one of you whingers come on here and admit it if the ref has giving u a dodgey decision and dont say you dont get them get a life if that was rangers player instead of Mikoliunas doing it youd b shouting your heads off to get him off, now run along heres 50 p buy your self alife
38

trueblue,

18/08/2008 22:19:15
its really a waste of time coming in here ive already got one site shut down through my constant emails to them and they finally got sense too many make more than one account up come on here to make trouble thinks its time some of you got out more
39

Edinburghs only big team,

18/08/2008 23:08:22
Referees are bias - we all know that.

3 points to Sceptic - 3 Points to Rankers

It's the same every season - Accept it FFS.
40

Pedantic,

Edinburgh City Centre 20/08/2008 13:25:44
37 / 38,

Your posts are a prime example of why you and your kind are not liked. If you do have a spare 50p you should put it towards a book on grammer, punctuation and spelling. Personally, I doubt whether you actaully have those sort of funds. Now go away and don't come back.
41

It's me!,

20/08/2008 17:08:10
I bet todays' referees wish for the old days when television wasn't allowed into football grounds and supporters could only moan afterwards to their mates in the pub. Sunday papers would ignore any reference to dodgy decisions. But nowadays we do see games on the television and can compare decisions given for similar situations in different games. Sites like this allow supporters a facility to air their grievances. Outside the Glasgow two supporters are united in stating that referees do not apply the rules fairly and consistently. Why not, referees? Oh, sorry! whistleblower has been removed from the SFA website because too many of you were having to say you were wrong and that was just not on, was it? Referees are quick to say that without them there would be no football. Let me tell them that without supporters there will be no professional footballers either and therefore no £800 per game for 'amateur' referees. As things stand supporters are being cheated out of their admission money by referees who fail to apply the laws of the game fairly and consistently. Supporters do not pay the entrance fee to watch referees who think the sun shines out of you know where but to watch a fairly adjudicated football match.

 

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