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Hearts' marked man Miko must take hint



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Published Date: 18 August 2008
RANGERS 2 HEARTS 0

IN order to rid himself of the reputation which precedes him in Scotland, Saulius Mikoliunas must first acknowledge its existence.

Make no mistake, Miko was unfairly ordered off on Saturday. His third red card in total against Rangers reeked of in
justice and infuriated both the player and the Hearts manager, Csaba Laszlo.

An initial caution for diving on 68 minutes was wholly warranted given his theatrical fall after minimal contact with Sasa Papac.

A second yellow arrived moments later following a sliding challenge on Kenny Miller, his first illegal tackle since entering the field as substitute, yet referee Stuart Dougal couldn't yank the card from his pocket quickly enough. Little if any contact was made, bringing into question whether "illegal" is indeed the appropriate adjective to use.

Rightly or wrongly, Mikoliunas' name is tarnished and, having been booked in the first instance, he ought to have realised what another misdemeanour would lead to.

There seemed an inevitability about his dismissal after the first caution and the early departure left Hearts with the impossible task of attempting to equalise a 1-0 deficit. In short, he shouldn't have given Dougal the option.

Naivety on Mikoliunas' part does not absolve the referee of blame, however. Officials across Scotland have for some time stood accused of targeting Hearts' Lithuanian players and are doing little to conceal their disdain, a wholly unacceptable practice which prompts Vladimir Romanov's references to Scottish football's "mafia".

As an example, Rangers' Kyle Lafferty executed two reckless tackles on Larry Kingston and Marius Zaliukas in the first half of this game but was given only a polite talking to by Dougal in the aftermath. It wasn't difficult to feel Hearts' frustration.

"This is always the same problem. If a player takes a yellow card he must take some of his aggressive play back and know to be a little bit careful. His foul on the middle line (on Miller] was not necessary," said Laszlo. "I spoke with Miko and for the future it's very important to learn from this mistake.

"The first yellow card I cannot tell because it was so far away. At first I think it's a foul against Miko so it's a yellow card, okay. What happened after is very important, it's the responsibility of the player to know that if you make the next foul maybe he will punish you. This happened and we can't change it but we can learn from this."

Asked if he thought Mikoliunas' reputation was now going before him, Laszlo replied: "I heard about this. I don't think he should be punished all the time, everybody must have a second chance. Miko, in the past, had this problem but I think he is mentally so strong that he knows next time he must be more careful."

On the balance of play and chances, Rangers just about deserved this victory. They ground out three points by being persistent and resolute against a Hearts team lacking genuine attacking threat. Mike Tullberg, Gary Glen and Christian Nade, when fully fit, are expected to help resolve this issue. Audrius Ksanavicius was certainly little support for the industrious Jamie Mole on the wide open Ibrox pitch.

Lafferty opened the scoring on 37 minutes by sweeping home a cross from defender Madjid Bougherra. Kris Boyd's injury-time penalty secured the win after Lee Wallace's foul on Miller, but in between the game could easily have followed a different trajectory. And not just because of Mikoliunas' dismissal.

With the Lithuanian still running his early bath, Hearts were refused a strong penalty appeal when Andy Driver's shot struck Bougherra on the arm. "If the referee doesn't give the penalty I can't change this," said Laszlo, wisely refusing to become embroiled in public criticism of officials.

"It's not so important to talk about this, it's more important to talk about our mistakes and we had some of them in the game. I don't think we played the wrong game. Even after the red card we had a chance. I think it was an interesting football game but we lost 2-0. If you lose a game I don't think you should always talk about the other mistakes and about the referees. We played good football against Motherwell, we won 3-2. We also played interesting football against Rangers. Jamie MacDonald did not have so much work and we were always in the game."

MacDonald was making his competitive debut in place of Steve Banks, who appears to have played his last game for Hearts. A statement on the club website stated that the 36-year-old is to coach the club's youth-team goalkeepers and relinquish playing duties, but it remains to be seen if this is a long-term arrangement.

MacDonald, at the age of 22, was simply elated to sample first-team football ahead of substitute goalkeeper Marian Kello, recently loaned from FBK Kaunas. "It was a strange week," said MacDonald. "Obviously I was disappointed when the new goalkeeper came in. It's a challenge for me but I was delighted to get the nod on Saturday. Hopefully I've done well and the manager will maybe have a look at me for next week.

"My year and a half at Queen of the South made me grow up a bit and it's better when you're playing first-team football rather than reserve football.

"Getting to the Scottish Cup final helped me because I'd experienced playing in front of a big crowd, so that wasn't a factor on Saturday. I felt relaxed and treated it like another game of football. It would be good for me to get a run of games. It's hard coming in and out of teams because the only way you're going to improve is by playing games. That's what I've had and I feel I've improved a lot."

As have Hearts collectively since Laszlo's arrival. Saturday provided more evidence of their willingness to play cohesive football even under pressure with Christos Karipidis and Michael Stewart constantly striving to dictate play from midfield. "We lost the game but we don't lose the pride," added Laszlo. "The players came in, they have their heads up because we played good football."





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1

GrahamL,

18/08/2008 12:04:08
Best thing for Miko is probably to leave the country - he's never going to get a fair crack from the refs round here, if he wants to prove himself he should head off somewhere where he can start with a clean slate.
2

huggs,

18/08/2008 12:07:52
i agree he is never going to be treated fairly
Mcullochs tackle was far worse Lafferty had 2 bad ones both non bookings
The refs are a disgrace
3

Paranoid John from Midlothian,

18/08/2008 12:09:53
Worst report I have ever read. 95% of players would have gone down looking for a free kick...there was contact...he did not dive....pathetic report.
4

Bigwull,

edinburgh 18/08/2008 12:10:13
BLATANT CHEATING BY THE GFA(AND ITS GETTING WORSE) PLAIN AND SIMPLE
5

victorian of gorgie ,

18/08/2008 12:10:24
#1 GL, yes miko should pursue his career elsewhere with immediate effect. the shocking vendetta being played out on him is a disgrace to sport and a disgrace to this country.

despite what the idiot journalists in the red-tops say, miko was not trying to con a FK out of the ref which wasn't there, he simply went down a bit easily. it's not the same as trying to con the ref.

placed along side the scandalous act of cheating by kirk broadfoot, this is very, very hard to stomach.

broadfoot and boyd both fell over under no challenge in areas where FKs would be dangerous. one can only assume that they are instructed to do this in order to take advantage of benevolent refereeing.

what is the point?

6

UrbanFox,

18/08/2008 12:11:48
Agreed. Mikoliunas is a mediocre, hothead player with a bad reputation. He is an unnecesary liability. Hearts have to be pragmatic and get rid of him.

But of course they wont becasue he is the teachers pet.
7

mrhibs07,

Galashiels 18/08/2008 12:14:52
miko. Once a cheat. Always a cheat. End off.
8

victorian of gorgie ,

18/08/2008 12:18:08
#7, i suspect your other brain cell is in getting it's annual service.

9

Mixu 6 - 2 ,

18/08/2008 12:20:59
Miko change sports go to olympics as a diver..............................................

guaranteed medals..................................

Romanov is the man to boss Hearts..................

hahahaha...........................................

Its down at tinycastle they bide...................
10

GrahamL,

18/08/2008 12:21:13
#5 It is an absolute disgrace that a player could be hounded out of a country by a vendetta like this. And yet, because he plays for Hearts, and he's foreign, noone else seems to care.
11

Mixu 6 - 2 ,

18/08/2008 12:22:30
What appened to you lot on saturdays forum.........................................

or sundays....................................

hahahaha......................................
bottom six....................................
facts are bottom two..........................
12

FC Barcelona,

18/08/2008 12:23:22
yet another weekend of corrupt and cheating refs and officials, fitba in scotland is absolutely awful and will not improve until someone steps in and gets rid of these cheats !!
13

Ronaldo Stuffed Everyone,

18/08/2008 12:23:34
#7 Master Hobo aged 7 - not back at school yet?

Predictable result at Ibrox. Hearts denied stone wall penalty, Hearts players sent off and the Rioters given a late penalty. Hang on isn't this a re-run of the same script over the last 100 odd years?
14

moonraker,

Swindon 18/08/2008 12:27:12
Just watched it on the BBC website. I have to say that it is getting beyond a joke. The referees need to take a long hard look at themselves. If you have people in the media who are noticing this , even those who are normally only too happy to play to the Old Form agenda, then things must be bad. Look on the bright side, the replays on the BBC website cannot be viewed from outside the UK so the damage to the SFA credibility is only transmitted in Scotland and South of the border.
15

mrhibs07,

Galashiels 18/08/2008 12:27:29
#8 vic. Come on now. He's been conning officials since he signed for hearts. Funny how you all stick up for him TOGETHER. Ha ha.
16

victorian of gorgie ,

18/08/2008 12:27:37
#10 GL, i honestly don't know how refs like dougal can sleep easy at night with that, i really do not.

same applies to brazen cheats like broadfoot and boyd.

17

victorian of gorgie ,

18/08/2008 12:29:42
#15, you can get stuffed until you come back here and honestly tell me that your team doesn't have divers.

keep a close eye on shiels if you want to see a con artist.

18

Chas Niceass,

18/08/2008 12:30:06
The problem with Miko, I believe anyhow, is that he's seen as the image of Hearts under Romanov.
To say he's poison would be harsh in the extreme, but in reality thats what he is to us.
The authorities clearly hit him whenever they can, he's been booked for nothing in the first instance, Broadfoots in the 1st half, if Dougal was a man he'd come out and apologise.
But he wont.
Because Miko is fair game and to be honest, some of his performances, lack of effort and discipline, naievity and downright stupidity as shown in his second booking on Saturday, regardless of whether it was or wasnt another yellow, he's given Dougal what he wanted, the chance to get rid.
Quite a few of us suggested on Friday there would be a soft red, you have to have the intelligence to avoid it.
Miko doesnt.
Not only that Miko has been the one that has benefitted the most from Romanov, as a Hearts supporter I know that.
Unfortunately he is Romanovs emblem, he doesnt have the maturity to carry it off, everyone hates him, to Hearts as a club he is poison.
Add in a penalty to the national side for simulation then the problem multiplies by 100.
As previous posters say, the time would be right for him to find a new begining.
Not going to happen though.
19

GrahamL,

18/08/2008 12:30:27
#16 on top of a big pile of money, with many beautiful ladies...?
20

the west end general,

18/08/2008 12:32:31
everything that happened on Saturday was expected .. Rangers needed the win and got it,we can still hold our heads up though 3 points against last seasons 2nd and 3rd best teams isnt bad the real pressure starts this week when we are expected to win at home,I hope our 2 outfield signing are fit for that one.Hibs didnt look convincing at all against Falkirk but I was pleased for Hanlon.
21

maroon to the core,

falkirk 18/08/2008 12:38:36
Its becoming more and more difficult to disagree with Vlads "Mafia" jibe when two games into the season Celtic have been given a dubious penalty, Dundee Utd are dissalowed a stone wall penalty, Celtic players handle the ball in the box twice without any award given and then Hearts have a penalty claim dissalowed while one of their players is being victimised in a case of clear discrimination. In any other job the discrimination of an employee would not be allowed.
Cant wait to hear the Gordon Smith tell us all we are imagining all off this.
22

Johnny Jambo,

18/08/2008 12:38:57
Why are some of you surprised, Miko is a known "simulator" and he will be judged, not on the reality of the situation but on his reputation, unfair as that is, but he only has himself to blame, if the situation is borderline, there is no way the ref will decide in Miko's favour.
23

Super Ally WATP,

somewhere 18/08/2008 12:42:21
"Just about deserved the win".

Just about? we were praping Hearts for 90 minutes, only good goalkeeping and bad finishing on our behalf kept the score from being flattering.
24

Super Ally WATP,

somewhere 18/08/2008 12:44:09
Also, not to dissapoint my over-optimistic jambo friends, but the "Hand Ball" by Bougherra? if you look at it, his back AND head are turned, and the outside of just above the elbow is where the ball hit.

That warrants what is called "Ball to hand" and is not an infrigment in play.

Get over it.
25

Geo_1875,

Edinburgh 18/08/2008 12:48:03
Got to agree that Miko was treated disgracefully on Saturday. Firstly, there was contact so he was entitled to go to ground. However, the way he fell was rather dramatic and did him no favours. The tackle for his second booking was no worse than many others made by both sides. If a Rangers player made that challenge the referee would be unlikely to give a foul never mind a booking.
26

joppa jambo,

18/08/2008 12:49:44
"Unfairly sent off" .....

Did this reporter watch the game on sat or just listen to Shabba's interpretation of events.

1st Offence - Blatant Dive , Yellow Card

2nd Offence - Needless Lunge in the middle of the park nowhere near the ball and took out Kenny Miller, Yellow Card

Yellow x 2 = Red

Where is this reporter coming from, what a shambolic piece of reporting.

He should write a piece on Miko's awful attitude and inability to control himself as well as the fact that he is a sh*t footbal player.

Get him sent to the Siberian Gulags, A*sehole!!!
27

victorian of gorgie ,

18/08/2008 12:49:49
#22 JJ, it's not surprise mate, it's revulsion. as for "only himself to blame", sorry that's just plain wrong. he did the crime and served the time.

time up for miko in scotland. go now for your own sake miko, scotland is too much in the dark ages. people don't need to forgive you but your entire career shouldn't be blighted as a result.

28

edinburgh_rob,

Penicuik 18/08/2008 12:53:51
now this suggestion may seem like too much common sense for the spl to handle but would it be an idea to gather together the mamager's from the league and sit down round a table with the referees and they can analyse a selection of "dubious" decisions. If the referees are completely innocent as they make out then they wont mind justifying their decisions and explaining the reasoning behind why they send one player off and not another.

If they are able to explain their justification it might also help the spl managers appreciate the difficulties referees have and they may start to build up a trust that the men in black actually do know the rules and apply them fairly.

Or would they reject this idea as no-one is ever allowed to call into question the fairness or comeptency of our world leading referee pool !!! (i'm being sarcastic about the world leading bit !!)
29

Jealousy,jealousy,

18/08/2008 12:54:42
Im a gers fan and agree his first booking was harsh in the extreme.

I am also honest enough to admit Broadfoots was worse and its not the first time - someone at Ibrox needs to have a strong word in his ear.

As for the penalty claims - Iv seen one like the Bougherra one given but a stonewaller? Nae chance. It was ball to hand and would have been harsh, this is a view shared by all the experts.

On the playing side i was delighted with Mendes and reckon he could be the signing of the summer. Add Davis and Edu and our midfield could be strong.

The 9m Rangers have recently spent have blown away the ridiculous "asset stripping" comments but im still raging we have waited until we have been knocked out of Europe before making the signings that every man and his dug knew were necessary.
30

Johnny Jambo,

18/08/2008 12:55:40
#27, victorian, yes he did the time but he has the reputation, and all I am saying is that reputation is hard to lose, thats what I mean by "only himself to blame" he was really bad when he came to Hearts and then made matters 100 times worse in the Scotland match so he will always suffer. Shame buts that how it is.
31

Chas Niceass,

18/08/2008 12:55:58
#24 I agree entirely with those thoughts, but you will no doubt disagree when I say if it was at the other end, ie it struck a Hearts players elbow, the referee would have been sprinting to the spot faster than Trap 1 heading for the bunny with an extra bone in its gob.
32

The Smiler,

18/08/2008 12:58:18
Far worse was was the tackle made on Thomson by Kingston , the little sheet left his leg in deliberately to cause damage - that should have been a straight red - Thomson booked for taking a free kick to quickly - ffs what has the world come to , no penalty for hearts either back and head where not facing the ball when it struck him , Miko , soft first booking (i've seen him dive so much better in the past) 2nd tackle was a yellow.
2-0 flattered Hearts and there one shot at goal.
33

Hibs fc,

18/08/2008 12:59:11
Nearly hee hee............

48 Gorgie's Finest,15/08/2008 12:45:02
Got my predictions in for the games this weekend.

Hibernian 1-3 Falkirk,
Inverness CT 2-1 Hamilton,
Motherwell 2-0 Aberdeen,
Rangers 2-2 Hearts,
St Mirren 1-1 Kilmarnock,
Dundee Utd 1-2 Celtic,

tea-bag.
34

Super Ally WATP,

Somewhere 18/08/2008 12:59:27
#31 i have no doubts some people would, but at the end of the day this stuff has happened, and you just get on with it. If its B2H then thats football, a blatant handball i will say fair enough and have a go at our own player, if its a blatant hand ball (like Caldwells in the OF) and not given, then i have a go.
35

Jealousy,jealousy,

18/08/2008 13:02:53
#31 chas

Do you mean like the 2 blatant handballs you got away with in the cup game last year that were cancelled out by Fergusons use of the arm leading up to his goal?
36

Super Ally WATP,

somewhere 18/08/2008 13:06:43
#36

What, like GONCalves handball that stopped the ball falling to Chris Burke who was unmarked in the 6 yard box?.

Or the handball that was deflected to Ferguson (in the box) who subsequenrly hand balled it in return to score goal of the month?
37

East at Easter,

Edinburgh 18/08/2008 13:07:34
i wonder just how MUCH, Vald despises Glasgow Rangers?

Miko is a fake, time for the wee boy to leave and go back to his rubbish country.
38

East at Easter,

Edinburgh 18/08/2008 13:08:36
No 34, class ! Well dug out mate. These Yams ken nothing.
39

Chas Niceass,

18/08/2008 13:13:53
#36, 37 I think the advantage rule was played, not sure what our advantage was however when Ferguson used both hands. We of course had a clear penalty turned down earlier in the game.
The thing about you guys though is how blindingly stupid you are.
Kaunas beat you when you had no referee to save you, if only you could see how weak you are, without the help.
Personally I'm glad I dont support your team or the other one, the only real protest group to your mob.
I can live with supporting my team, knowing when we win, its because of us, and not some overpaid clown feeling under pressure to give us a handout.
40

Libby Hibby,

Edinburgh 18/08/2008 13:13:56
Very poor performance by Stuart Dougal: the worst example of an official currying favour with the majority at Ibrox and being seen to exert his a authority, all at the expense of a young player who he knew would be condemned no matter the rights or wrongs of the matter.
Technically Mikoliunas dived ie. he didn't NEED to go down, but it was done to highlight an arm being put out by the defender to hold him back. It happens all the time in our game.
Broadfoot's collapse was worse than that IMO, since no one at all was within a foot of him when he went down - interesting that the BBC commentator, even with benefit of slow motion replay, was content to describe that as an 'inexplicable fall'!
I'm sorry to say that Jambo comments on this thread about the hopelessness of Mikoliunas' future in Scotland are probably right - much to the shame of our national game.
41

Jealousy,jealousy,

18/08/2008 13:15:06
#37 Super Ally

Yep, thems the two i was talking about.

Liking the look of Mendes, presuming no hitches in the upcoming deals involving Edu and Davis what do you think our strongest 11 is?
42

It's me!,

18/08/2008 13:16:57
I've watched the incidents on BBC site. He is quite obviously a marked man by macho referees who are out to get him. Strange attitude for people who are meant to apply the laws of the game fairly and consistently and paid substantial sums of money for doing so. It is little wonder fans, managers and chairmen complain. It seems to me that the biggest cheats are the referees. I pay a fair sum of money to watch the games but am cheated out of a fair contest by biased refereeing. Broadfoot: blatant dive = no yellow card. Mikoliunas dodgy dive = yellow card. Laffery's two reckless tackles by all accounts not worthy of a yellow, even for the second one according to the referee. Mikoliunas tackle = second yellow and the red. Dougal couldn't get the red out of his pocket fast enough. I did think he was our best referee by that has changed rapidly. £800 for that refereeing performance. He should be embarassed
43

Super Ally WATP,

Somewhere 18/08/2008 13:17:50
To be honest mate id be looking to play beasley left with davis and mendes through the middle, and aaron and/or a new winger.

I dont think Edu will go straight in until we play a 4141, or if he plays centre half.

Must suck being a Farts supporter when we sign a nobody who generally has a reputation lol.
44

Chas Niceass,

18/08/2008 13:26:06
#44 Not really, we are quite happy and proud of our club, we receive no assistance indeed the opposite.

The arrogance of your club is even when you receive assistance, Gretna postponed and the season extended you are so ungrateful you blame those who helped you.

When in reality, it was your own club who declined to play fixtures when they could.

And why, because your own manager didnt think you were good enough to reach the latter stages of Europe, but to be fair to Walter, I understand why.
45

Super Ally WATP,

somewhere 18/08/2008 13:29:02
#45.

Hurting are we? lol Velcika is great btw :D
46

Jealousy,jealousy,

18/08/2008 13:32:59
#44 Super Ally

Sounds like a good shout mate. I dont think Boydy and Velicka will work, id like to see Laffs up front with Boyd.

All of a sudden midfield is looking strong although we still lack a bit of natural width.

Id like to think Thomson will come good but he hasnt been impressive so far in a gers jersey. The odd good game but doesnt do enough.
47

B4 Part B,

18/08/2008 13:35:39
#29

Spot On!

I haven't had the benefit of the highlights but was at the game, miko's dive - I felt was a harsh booking but ref could justify it as he did go down easily, what he can't justify is not booking narrowhand for diving, we want consistency! Same with his second yellow, that was his second infringement in the game, all that was needed was a strong word in his ear to say "Cut it out! You need to calm yourself boy, otherwise I will have to send you off for the next one" instead it was far easier to produce the yellow, again as has been mentioned, no yellows to Rangers players for similar tackles, the word they need to learn is consistency!

Our claim for a penalty, seen them given but would have been very very harsh, I would have been livid if it had been given against us so not bothered that we didn't get it.

In my opinion, we were on the end of a harsh decision for the sending off, but for me that didn't affect the end result, Rangers deserved a 1 nil win and would have got it even if Miko had stayed on, thing is we will never know if that would have been true, and we are at the added disadvantage of having him suspended.
48

Indigo Nightlight,

18/08/2008 13:36:33
Miko's 1st Yellow card would not have been given to any other player on the pitch (since Ksnavicius had been subbed). His second was rank stupidity, regardless of how much contact he actually made, as refereees in Scotland are desperate to book him every time he takes the field.

The problem with playing Rangers or Celtic in Glasgow is not just the big decisions though, it's the unremitting tide of 50/50 calls that go their way. Witness the free-kick which led indirectly to the first goal. Never a foul, and certainly wouldn't have been given at the other end. Both also get the benefit of 'soft' decisions, whereas I can't remember a single soft penalty ever given against either of them, unless it was in an OF game.

None of this changes the fact EHarts didn't play that well on Saturday, and the need to find a striker, even though Mole did ok again, a replacement for Ksnavicius and to get Karipidis out of the midfield are still painfully apparent.
49

Salvatori,

18/08/2008 13:38:14
Listening to the radio yesterday, Billy Bluenose Dodds even admitted it was harsh for Miko to get a booking for his first yellow.

Cue Murdo McLeod: "His reputation goes before him and he gets what he deserves". What even if he doesn't deserve it Murdo, you thick, squeaky voiced idiot. That's the unpartial, spot on Old Firm analysis us non OF fans have to endure. Well done Murdo.
50

Chas Niceass,

18/08/2008 13:43:33
#46 Not at all, just what we come to expect, indeed if you were involved in this forum on Friday, many of us predicted just exactly how you'd win, so obvious it is now.
I'm happy you are happy with Velicka, but being marked out of the game by Zaliukas doesn't say a lot really.
I guess you'll be hurting yourself though, look at all those millions Celtic have to spend before August ends, and they dont even have to sell their star player to fund it.
See that wouldnt bother me but I know its twisting your sacks!

51

i wanna be like John Colquhoun,

18/08/2008 13:49:16
disgraceful!!! these are guys that are going to be on 40,000 a year for a part time job, that they dont have to explain to anybody their decisions and are answerable to no-one (mr smith at the sfa will say nothing against the OF as he lovers rangers and is scared of celtic incase he is accused of bias for rangers!!)

Thats a professional salary eg lawyer, accountant so if these jokes are to be paid that then its about time it was their full time job and they could be docked or made to explain why they made certain decisions.

vlad is a fool but he is totally right about the "mafia". levein and vlad need to get a chat and just keep banging the door calling them cheats and when fines are issued refuse pay them.

dont think miko has a chance a would be best to get out of scotland as this country. cant believe this small mindedness of the people in this country....f***ing get over it. scotland won the game and it meant nothing....mnake it out like he is the only guy ever to have dived. and he is less of a cheat than dougall & mccurry!

but then again its all in our heads....
52

Jealousy,jealousy,

18/08/2008 13:54:49
#49 B4 Part B

Good, honest assessment mate. Glad to see you not getting caught up in the hysteria like some of your fellow jambos.

For what its worth i reckon you lot wont do to badly this season as long as Romanov doesnt self destruct again!
53

Salvatori,

18/08/2008 13:59:29
Incidentally as Krack Broadbean clearly dived to win a free kick at the edge of the area, this according to Smith's edict on the use of restrospective video analysis, is the perfect opportunity for it to be employed to drive the cheats out of the game.

Oh I forgot, this doesn't actually apply to non-lithuanian players ;)
54

RANGERS LOYALIST,

GB 18/08/2008 14:02:28
Barry Anderson you are a bam.
You agree with the first yellow but not the second.
Please watch it again. Miko slid in two-footed. Yes the contact was minimal but so what? Thank fook the contact was minimal otherwise it would've been a straight red.
You're right that the boy has to wise up though.
If he'd stayed on his feet at the first challenge then maybe the ref would've thought, "hmm, well at least he didn't go down". Then if he had a bad opinion of him, it may have changed. Who knows. But acting like a little girl one minute and a thug the next, does himself no favours. Or his team.
55

scorchio,

West of the Pecos 18/08/2008 14:02:50
I think we should take a deep breath and calm doon.
The facts are that the establishment is well and trully behind the OF.
That was evidenced yet again over the weekend.
Craig Levein, to his credit called it right when he said...Is there any point in teams turning up to play in Glasgow?
Gus McPherson brought other points to the public eye.
Vlad has went radge about it more than once...and it hasn't made a blind bit of difference.
Why?
Because none or not enough of the teams in this league are prepared to make an issue out of it.
Nothing's gonna change.
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Hearts Daft,

Musselburgh 18/08/2008 14:04:21
There is nothing new in blatant biased referreeing in favour of the OF, it happens every week. For example look at the penalty Celtic were awarded last Sunday against St Mirren. I haven't seen the incident from Saturday's game at Ibrox which led to Miko's booking but every commentator, apart from Barry Anderson of the EN has said that Miko was was fouled.
Even Murdo McLeod on BBC Radio Scotland yesterday said that he wasn't fouled but he still deserved to get sent off because he is Miko! Unbelievably bigoted comment.
57

Hearts00,

18/08/2008 14:10:54
Just saw the highlights on the internet. The dive b Broadfoot was every bit as bad as Miko's against Scotland. In fact it is worse in my opinion as Fletcher was near Miko, Stewart is no where near Broadfoot and yet the ref far from booking the player gives Rangers a free-kick. Absolutely disgraceful. What annoys me even more is that the commentators on the radio thought that Broadfoot's dive was funny, almost a bit of a laugh, while Miko is a dreadful cheat, who should not be in this country.

Not to mention that it was never a free kick in the build up to Ranger's first.

I can't be too critical over the penalty incidents, Wallace's at first glance looks like a pen and ref rarely give hand balls like that.

Nonetheless, another shocker from referees involved in OF games, because if you have not seen it, the pen that Utd were denied against Celtic was an absolute stone waller.
58

i wanna be like John Colquhoun,

18/08/2008 14:17:12
#57 bang on. levein, mcpherson, vlad are the only ones who speak up and even then mcpherson doesnt say jack as he knows he will get fined.

but they all need to take the levein/vlad stance and refuse to pay fines etc and get this issue investigated.

two weeks into the season and its already sickened me. as if the decision for celtic last week wasnt bad enough they get away with giving away a stonewaller .

just let celtic play rangers for the league in a one off game. it will never change so f**k it. even when they get the tv for "trial by tv" it makes no difference! i remember seeing the hartson webster incident on tv and thinking how clumsy it was of webster to put his face into hartsons elbow like that.....
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Chas Niceass,

18/08/2008 14:17:29
#59 Glad you picked up on the radio commentary. I heard this also, somehow it was funny that Broadfoot had gone down, Begg almost whispers, I thought that was simulation but as soon as Miko does it, its an absolute outrage.
Anderson, Foulkes I call on you to raise a campaign and not sit on this, move it forward, you two have power of press and politics to launch some sort of protest, not just on Hearts behalf but the other 10 teams who will all suffer at some point.
St Mirren even had a player suspended because the idiot wouldnt see sense when he was offered a shot at redemption.
What hope is there unless public figures take this further.
60

Jealousy,jealousy,

18/08/2008 14:17:39
#57 scorchio

You didnt lose the game on Saturday because of the ref. You lost because you werent good enough.
61

victorian of gorgie ,

18/08/2008 14:18:42
#59 hearts00, that's exactly the point. when the likes of broadfoot collapse in a heap, some of these commentators and sports writers have some kind of mental block about calling it what it is, crass cheating. it's almost as if they actually are being honest and see it as a stumble or something.

why?

because it's an OF player, or it's a scottish player.

in reality these jokers are either biased to the hilt or too thick to comprehend that scottish players are every bit as capable of cheating as anyone else.

either way it's just another stomach churning aspect to the whole scottish football scene.
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victorian of gorgie ,

18/08/2008 14:22:57
#60, that's a bit like my idea. award celtic and rangers 3 points for every match they play against the other 10 teams. celtic and rangers would then play for no reason other than goal difference. their opponents would then try to win or draw for the points they would normally get. celtic and rangers would have a 4 game series against each other to see who wins the league.

barmy yes and obviously not a serious suggestion but it would result in a better league for everyone.

could scottish football get any more barmy???

63

Tynietiger,

18/08/2008 14:26:36
Miko is a marked man. Broadfoot's "simulation" earlier in the game went unpunished. But Miko mad to tackle Miller afterwards.

Only two weeks into season and already it seems penalties for the old firm but noyt for the opposition.

And folk keep saying our refs are honest. They are either useless and baised or corrupt.
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Chas Niceass,

18/08/2008 14:28:53
#62 You are right, not many disputing that, but at least the game should be allowed to be played out on an even playing field, fact is that its not.
I dont like losing but its part of the game and its made easier when at least you know decisions are being made without prejudice but we know they aren't.
However Utd lost a Cup Final and potentially a shot at Europe last year, not because you were better but because a referee decided.
St Mirren lost a player for the weekend because a referee made the wrong decision not once but twice, imagine the hooha if a Rangers or Celtic player was denied such an obvious appeal. Its unthinkable.
65

Chas Niceass,

18/08/2008 14:30:40
#65 Financial suicide of course, but it would never get to that stage, the threat alone should be enough, but its time to stand up to the bullies.
I'm amazed some clubs have caved in to the OF levy on tickets. Spineless.
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victorian of gorgie ,

18/08/2008 14:43:23
#70, yes with a cannon ball preferably.

69

Jealousy,jealousy,

18/08/2008 14:43:25
#67 Chas

Dont get me wrong i have some sympathy. As stated the Miko dive was a harsh yellow but at the end of the day he DID make a meal of it and with his rep should know better. The 2nd yellow he can have no complaints with.

Broadfoots dive was bworse and not the first time. I would have been happy with him being booked for it.

There were other decisions too, Thomsons booking was extremely harsh, another case of rep preceding him perhaps? Kingston also got away with a shocker.
70

Johnny Jambo,

18/08/2008 15:13:12
If Refs are biased in favour of the OF, how come Celtic drew yesterday. Just a thought!!!!
71

i wanna be like John Colquhoun,

18/08/2008 15:52:56
#73 are you mental????? cause they should have been beaten 2-1 if the ref had given the stonewall penalty!

#74 its not a case of cheating or not. its a case of a level playing field.
interested to know how hearts cheated then?
claiming a penalty when its handball is not cheating.....neither is it if its not given as it was a bit ball to hand but your missing the point that NO celtic or rangers fans i know admit that if that was at the other end would you be claiming for it? YES would rangers or celtic get it YES..thats the difference.

miko got booked for a "dive" - hearts player
broadfoot didnt get booked for a bigger "dive" - rangers free kick.

thats what the non OF fans have to put up with every week.
72

GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

18/08/2008 16:04:34
I've seen some horrendous tackles against Miko go unpunished. It may well take a broken leg before the refs start giving him the same sort of protection other lightweight fast players who take people on get. Miko is often punished for diving out of the way - much as Kenny Miller did to avoid the Miko tackle, which was rash - although there was no contact. He does have a rep and certainly goes down too easily but as we saw in the Hearts Motherwell game where two Well dives went unpunished, it should be the same rule for all.

As for the Hearts penalty - watch the penalty in the Chelsea-Portsmouth match. The Rangers supporters in the media have been saying the player was too close to Driver. Well it was the same in the Chelsea game. The fact is the Rangers guy had his arms up in the box while attempting to block a shot - that's a penalty. In the English game the ref gave it the commentator said it was an easy decision and Portsmouth didn't even protest. In the Scottish game, the ref "misses" is and much of the media support him. Stonewall penalty. The SFA is ruining our game.
73

i wanna be like John Colquhoun,

18/08/2008 16:10:49
#76 keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better about it. broadfoots was a total dive and for miko to be booked and broadfoot not is a joke. but as a non OF fan im used to those sorts of decisions. but its getting tiring. like i said you wont admit it now but you would be claiming for it...it was a handball in the box....regardless. every handball in the box gets met with shouts for a penalty whether it is ball to hand or not. if it was at the other end dont be so stupid to suggest you wouldnt stand up and shout penalty. you would! 100%! so please dont try and take a moral high ground...your an OF fan and have no idea what the rest of the sPL clubs are talking about!
74

Jealousy,jealousy,

18/08/2008 16:26:07
#77

Not just Rangers supporters mate. Read the threads - plenty of your own didnt think it was one either.
75

Johnny Jambo,

18/08/2008 16:26:18
#78 I agree with you in fact I would argue black and white that it was a pen at the time, however on reflection it was not a pen as it was ball to hand.
76

Jealousy,jealousy,

18/08/2008 16:27:31
#78 John Colquhoun

Of course we would shout for it at the time. But after the game on calm reflection would realise that whilst they are given, it would have been extremely harsh.
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Chas Niceass,

18/08/2008 16:36:36
It wasnt a pen, only controversy in my opinion surrounds the 2 decisions. One not to book Broadfoot and the other to book Mikoliunas for identical situations.
JJ, Dougal is at least consistent at booking players for taking free kicks early, he did it to one of ours last year too.
Ludicrous when surely if someone has committed an offence against you, you are entitled to take an advantage.
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i wanna be like John Colquhoun,

18/08/2008 16:37:48
#80 & 81 im not saying it was a definite penalty....never have. it was a ball to hand and agree it would have been harsh but the point im making is if it was at the other end it would have been a penalty. and for them to say they would never have even shouted for it ie #76 is just stupid.

but what about the argument that as that handball was missed or let off with...would one of hearts players get to control it with his hand and lash it in??? simply cause the ref let them off with that handball???
no didnt think so......but then some teams get that sort of decision...

and as for the bookings and non bookings then its just discraceful....no one can argue that miko deserved a yellow and broadfoot didnt. there isnt even a case!

at the end of the day we got beat by the better team but all we want is a fair crack of the whip and not sendings off "to appease the ibrox crowd" as the scotland on sunday put it!!
79

Jealousy,jealousy,

18/08/2008 16:39:45
#83 Chas Niceass

I agree with you there mate. I think the main issue is that Broadfoot DIDNT get booked. Miko's was harsh but within the rules.

Aye daft right enough. If it is too quick then by all means pull it back, but a booking?
80

GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

18/08/2008 16:41:25
#83 His hands were up as he moved to block a shot in the penalty area. That's a penalty. Hands down by his side he might have some defence - even then penalties are given. Watch the Chelsea-Portsmouth one. In that case it wasn't even a shot - it was a cross so less dangerous. As with Broughera, the Portsmouth player had no chance of getting his hand out the way.
81

i wanna be like John Colquhoun,

18/08/2008 16:44:24
#82 come on mate, ive not come on here saying we were robbed. plenty have but not me!! i have not said once it was a defo pen!!! all i said was that handballs in the box are met with shouts for a pen regardless and they do. and i actually i dont think its a pen....would be raging if it was given against us but thats the nature of football. if your team gets a pen your not going to say it was ball to hand so please dont give us it...thats all i was saying.....but the bookings and non bookings and sendings off outrage me....
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Chas Niceass,

18/08/2008 16:51:29
#85 We're agreed on something then! I always think the way to judge a decision is would that p me off if it went against me.
Blocking a free kick yes a caution but not taking your own one, to me thats just mental and is penalising the team thats fouled.
Even kicks on the edge, why let a team set up a wall or give them time, but power mad refs aint happy if someone thinks they are taking on their whistle.
83

Hibs football club - ex player,

18/08/2008 18:19:20
We are going to do this to this team!
We are going to do this to that team!
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We are going to split the ugly sisters!

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We are going to sign this player!
We are going to sign that player!
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We are signing davies as manager!
We are signing McGee as manager!
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We are going to beat gers 2-0!
We are going to beat gers 3-0!
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c'mon Airdrieonians..
84

Hibs football club - ex player,

18/08/2008 18:20:31
How many shots on goal where executed by Hearts!

ONE!
85

Solymar 2,

Los Gigantes Santiago del Teide 18/08/2008 18:50:38
No.7 Like Miko you are a plank.
86

ha ha,

eh5 18/08/2008 20:06:25
Fair enough about the miko dive, but was Clubfoots pathetic fall any worsem stewert was about 3 feet from making contact.
87

Edinburghs only big team,

18/08/2008 22:50:04
#90

How many Major trophies have your very small club won in the last 50 years?

NONE!

Plank!

c'mon hubz quit being a comedy club!
88

Edinburghs only big team,

18/08/2008 22:52:27
I assume Broadfoots continual diving is overlooked because the refercheats are all from glasgow.

hmmm.
89

The Gorgie Boys Are In Town,

18/08/2008 23:0