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Hibs chief executive denies 'penny pinching'



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Published Date: 18 August 2008
HIBS have hit back at accusations of penny pinching by insisting there is no wage cap in operation at Easter Road.
The Edinburgh club have been irked by the oft-repeated claims that players are poorly rewarded in comparison to other SPL outfits and now chief executive Scott Lindsay has sought to set the record straight.

While insisting Hibs will continue to "live within their means", Lindsay revealed the manager's budget has been increased five times in the past three years and that terms and wages currently being offered by the club are competitive with all but the Old Firm and Capital rivals Hearts.

And Lindsay disclosed that boss Mixu Paatelainen will be allowed to pay higher wages as he reduces the size of his squad as he is currently attempting to do.

In addition, said Lindsay, Hibs have spent almost £2million in the past two years bringing fresh talent to the club in addition to the £5m spent on opening the club's state-of-the-art training centre.

In a newsletter issued to fans attending Saturday's first home game of the season Lindsay said: "Much has been made of the way in which Hibernian goes about its business – our determination to ensure the club remains on a stable financial footing.

"We have been criticised in some quarters for having a 'restrictive wages policy'. Let's be absolutely clear about one thing. We provide a budget for our manager and as at any other club he is asked to operate within that budget.

"Sometimes there are exceptional circumstances. In seeking to support Mixu on his appointment in January, the board agreed to bring a number of players to the club who were not part of the original budget.

"Several more players have been signed in time for the start of the season."

However, that has resulted in the squad being larger than planned in normal circumstances, meaning the annualised cost of the squad was higher than the club would like through the board's conscious decision to support Paatelainen. The manager has signalled he wants to reduce the number of players under his control while continuing to strengthen the squad.

While doing so can involve some element of additional cost, paying off unwanted players who still have some time remaining on their contracts, Lindsay insisted: "While the size of the squad reduces, the budget won't and if that allows the manager to pay higher wages to a smaller number of players then all good and well.

"In any event, the terms and wages being offered by Hibernian are competitive with those being offered by any other club outwith the Old Firm and, of course, by Hearts.

"For the club to continually live beyond its means would be a recipe for disaster. Recent events must reinforce that fact in the minds of everyone. The 'speculate to accumulate' strategy has been so thoroughly discredited within football that it is not an option. However, that does not mean we do not seek to progress or that our spending is in any way static. In the past three years the manager's budget has been increased on five occasions, and we will continue to do all we can to support him.

"The accounts for the financial year just ended will show that our wages to turnover ratio had increased to close to 60 per cent due to a combination of increased expenditure and a fall in turnover because of earlier cup exits than in the previous season."

Lindsay revealed the latest accounts, for the financial year which ended on July 31, will also show around £750,000 was spent on "attracting and retaining" football talent following almost £1m spent in the previous 12 months.

He said: "In two years that's just under £2m, considerably more than most SPL clubs and certainly more than our own club has been able to invest in previous years."

And the chief executive insisted reducing club debt, which has fallen dramatically in recent years, will continue to be a target. He said: "While many feel they see no immediate benefit from debt reduction and view it simply as good housekeeping by the club, there is much more to it.

"Cutting debt reduces our operating costs and frees up money that otherwise would be tied up servicing debt. In other words, cutting debt reduces cost and means that more of our income can be spent on the team this year, next year and every year thereafter.

"It's not just about balancing the books, it is also about freeing up money for the manager."


The full article contains 766 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 18 August 2008 10:49 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Hibernian FC
 
1

We love fitba,

google! 18/08/2008 12:04:28
Hibs are the envy of every club outwith the ugly sisters and the mad one too. Sometimes it seems it's only their own supporters who don't see it.

They may or may not have success this season, but the longer term outlook is very good indeed.
2

Harold Bishop is the original John Darwin.,

18/08/2008 12:05:57
Very frustrating for Hibs fans although at least your board have common sense.

Vlad is a F* cking looney toon and is making a mockery of us AGAIN!

3

Jambo83,

West Lothian 18/08/2008 12:07:17
I will NEVER be envious Hibs mate, never.

Get over yourselves.
4

Mixu 6 - 2 ,

18/08/2008 12:09:30
Top six..................................

neighbours bottom six...........................
just as it should be.............................
5

Mixu 6 - 2 ,

18/08/2008 12:11:44
Bernian were very impressive against a good Falkirk side..................................................

Hearts were poor against a poor Rangers side..................................................

This diving trying to fool the whistler has got to stop Hearts are worst in spl...............................

6

Ganjass,

18/08/2008 12:13:29
Jambo 83

Good to see Mad Vlad is staying out of fotball matters, you know, letting the manager pick who goes and who stays, allowing the manager to maintain morale..

Get over yourself, game 2 and your getting pumped and vlad is back to old habits..
7

Harold Bishop is the original John Darwin.,

18/08/2008 12:17:07
# 3

I don't envy them one bit but their board have more common sense than ours.

Hibs will run along nicely each year, balancing books, average football, new squad every second year due to selling players.

Where as we never have a week with out some sort of drama! Overpaying players, getting rid of players for no reason, just coz Vlad doenay like them. But hey at least we have won the cup!
8

Jambo83,

West Lothian 18/08/2008 12:17:47
A GOOD FALKIRK SIDE?!

I watched the highlights last night and the 2nd & 3rd Hibs goals came from atrocious defending.
9

Jambo83,

West Lothian 18/08/2008 12:19:13
#6 Did I miss something? When were Hearts pumped exactly?? A 2-0 defeat at Ibrox is hardly a disgrace.
10

Eighteen Seventy-Four,

18/08/2008 12:23:02

Mixu the messiah now then ?
11

Mastermind.,

18/08/2008 12:27:17
Mr Lindsay prove it then,
Give us the keeper we need..
12

Edinburghs Finest,

18/08/2008 12:27:34
Watch for a major signing unveiled on Thurs or Fri this week at Easter Road....
13

We love fitba,

google! 18/08/2008 12:29:25
#10 1874

I think the Hibs fans are prone to seeing things as black or white, without any shades of grey inbetween!

I firmly believe that what Hibs need to do is hang onto a manager, trust in him, and let him grow into the role. For a "well run" club they don't have churn through a lot of gaffers!

Mixu may not be perfect but I think he'll improve if he feels more settled in the job. It's not the board's way to talk to the press much but I hope they offer him lots of encouragement behind closed doors. If Mixu stays for the next 3-4 years I genuinely think he could achieve something special.
14

Hibernia,

18/08/2008 12:32:26
#9 I will agree with you going to Ipox and loosing 2-0 is not a totally bad defeat, but you have to say Miko is a diddy and Vlads horsing of Banks is meddling again.

#10 there are some Mixu bashers on here, but its now he is trying to get some of his players in and not have to work with the rubbish Collins signed and Mixu will do well for us.

But back to the thread, Hibs board are trying to be frugal and not throw silly money at what nowadays are fairly average players in the SPL. Its not about envy or anything to do with the other rival club. I personally dont care about Hearts finances, only issue I am bothered about is the Hibs board being tighter than a ducks @rse.
15

Neutral Observer,

18/08/2008 12:35:02
#12 Edinburgh's Finest

A major signing? Are Hibs going to recruit somebody direct from the British Army? If that's the case we they are definately in need of a midfield General. Maybe Mixu should inflict some Corporal punishment on his defence?
16

Neutral Observer,

18/08/2008 12:38:18
Hibernia would have it that Captain Jones should be demobbed!
17

Saturday Sammy,

Port O`Leith 18/08/2008 12:38:37
Getting back to the Board .... I have no doubt a great deal of good financial work is accomplished by the Hibs board but in simple terms, the support are always left disappointed that there is no re-investment in the wake of big money transfers outgoing at ER. Scott Lyndsay can shape the words any way he wants and the above ostensibly makes sense .... but the truth is Hibs are bargain basement, `investing` only in Bosman free`s in the hope that they unearth quality along the way. Fair do`s, it`s really too early to comment on the recent clutch of signings but for fact they never cost a bolt and are being paid within `budget` as is policy. Commmendable indeed is the policy but how on earth do Hibs really expect to significantly improve the football side of things? PS:- Some sympathy (I`ll get pelters for this) with Mikolunas insofaras there was at least contact in his `dive` whereas Broadfoot clearly conned the Ref in an impromptu audition for the Sugar Plum Fairy. All that the fans want is honest consistency.
18

Lion-O "Lord Of The ThunderCats,

18/08/2008 12:40:15
Well said Mr Lindsay.

After all, why pinch pennies when you can pinch pounds instead.

Stats are great aren't they. Wage limit increased five times eh? How much have they actually gone up each time though?
19

hibbyspurs,

18/08/2008 12:41:16
We've heard all this before..... We know all bout the clubs "frugality".....

£2m in two years in squald investment eh? Aye no bad, most likely the largest spend outside the OF, however could we address one glaring imbalance here please? Ohhhh aye thats right, to spend that £2m we coined in £14m in player sales, even adding on the £5m for Ormiston a slight discrepancy wouldnt you say?

Hibs board = Tight as f&^k, with little ambition towards challenging the old firm, quite happy to win the odd league cup and challenge for 3rd......... Sadly Mr Lindsay, Mr Petrie & Sir Tom Farmer, I as a Hibs supporter am not happy with a pretty balance sheet and mid table mediocrity.

In answer to why Hibs go through managers, it's usually the same reason as why we go through so many players. The board wont pay the extra coin or increase budgets sufficently to keep a half way decent manager (T. Mowbray for a kick off) when the vultres start circling.

20

Neutral Observer,

18/08/2008 12:46:16
#17 Saturday Sammy

The referees are liable to biase in every game. Collum on Saturday allowed several Falkirk players to commit a string of fouls without a booking but seemed anxious to book a couple of Hibs players at the first opportunity. Clegg in the Falkirk midfield committed about 10 fouls with no yellow, but van Zanten was booked when he held back a Falkik player who firstly ran into him. Caldwell had a clear trip on O'Donovan in the box yet no penalty. JVOH got a penalty last week and a red card for Falkirk with almost no contact.
21

Geo_1875,

Edinburgh 18/08/2008 12:57:18
#18 Do you actually read the story before posting your drivel? I'll explain it for you. Hibs board have set aside a certain amount for players wages, lets say £80k per week. If you have 40 players in the squad they will get an average of £2k each per week. Obviously some of the younger guys will be on lower money, say £1k. That means someone else is earning £3k. If you cut the squad down to 20 players that means the average wage is £4k per week. Again, if someone earns £1k per week that means that we can go as high as £7k per week for a higher rated player. See, it's quite easy to follow even for someone with the special needs that you obviously have.
22

Hibernia,

18/08/2008 13:05:15
#16 Mr Observer now I wouldnt say I would have Rob Jones demobbed, but he needs a damn good kick up the @rse at times in my opinion.

Anyway more importantly is our long running debate about Brian Kerr. What do you reckon he does of a Saturday afternoon now? Shopping at M&S with the wife, watching Soccer Saturday or drinking tea and eating crumpets round at Tommy Craig's house?
23

East at Easter,

Edinburgh 18/08/2008 13:06:13
This article was stolen from a Hibernian News Sheet handed out before Saturdays game.
24

Lion-O "Lord Of The ThunderCats,

18/08/2008 13:13:14
#21 Where on earth did that abuse come from? Not very PC to say that someone has special needs now is it?

My point was that Lindsay can very well say that wage limits have increased 5 times. What I was asking was how much of an increase is this? The increase could have been by £1 every time or by £100 or by £1k - you just don't know.

That's what I was getting at that you can use stats for anything.

Hope this doesn't get you too riled up?

25

Edinburghs Finest,

18/08/2008 13:16:16
#15... hilarious...
26

Neutral Observer,

18/08/2008 13:16:58
#22 Hibernia

According to Talk 107, as I walked to the match, Kerr and Gatheussi were at the stadium, although not out on the pitch warming up as they jokingly claimed. Sunday Mail interviewed Kerr who says he has his head down(?) and is working hard in training to force his way back into the team.

MIDFIELD PLAYERS AVAILABLE (when fit)

In no particular order!

Rankin, Keenan, Murray, Shiels,O'Brien, Morais, Chisholm, Stevenson, Cropley, Thicot, Kerr.

So 11 players to fill 4 places. Does Kerr have any chance of 'forcing' his way in?
27

Neutral Observer,

18/08/2008 13:19:12
#22 & #26

And the best of them all, Zemmama waiting to come back also from injury.
28

Amburno,

18/08/2008 13:21:03
#19

The article also states that they have reduced the debt to free up more money for the manager. Also I would say that we would need to have larger crowds to support higher wages for the type of players required to challenge for 1st in the league. Wait a minute, we are trying to expand the stadium so maybe the board are actually trying to get the foundations in place in order for us to start challenging more regularly for a top finish in the league?

It's a long term plan with risks attached that will not appeal too much to short term, result driven supporters. But I can see where the board are going with this.

Realistically Hibs are a top 5/4 club just now with the support we have in place with maybe the odd cup win here or there.

Once the foundations are in place and if we have a capacity crowd in, then I would say we would be a top 3/2 club with a more frequent chance of winning cups and the possibility of even ccoming close to a shot at the title.

It will take time, patience and support. 3 things that might be lacking with a number of our supporters just now. The base is there as proven by cup semi & final attendences, whether we get there or not is another thing.
29

Neutral Observer,

18/08/2008 13:29:23
28 Amburno

I am with you on this plan for the future. I would also say that you are currently worth your place on the Hibernian Board. Reveal to us your true name please!
30

Hibernia,

18/08/2008 13:49:45
#26 shame his work ethic wasnt that when he played. Still maybe being at a game means Tommy Craig has disowned him.
31

hibbyspurs,

18/08/2008 13:50:14
#28

Fair enough, that all reads well on paper but let me look at that from another view.

Increase the capacity of the stadia? You cant fill a ground if the product on the pitch is poor & the poorer that product becomes the less who will turn up (Look at Hearts first game this season, 14K they got I think? Whatever it was a big fall from last season).

So the club would have us believe that they will increase the grounds capacity to circa. 22,000? In the meantime the football side will continue to decline which will result in there being less people willing to go along which then of course results in less match day revenue (the clubs bread & butter) & we'll have sheled out £££££ for new stands?

Hmmmmmm, really good plan that eh?

Why not try a slightly different approach and improve the team to the point that they are challenging for cups, titles consistently? Then the current capacity will be stretched with people banging on the door to get a seat? Hey presto you increase the capacity to 22,00 and start to fill it nearly right awway? Instead of a mediocre side ending up playing in front of 10,000 empty seats every home game?

As for the cup finals against Livingston & Kilmarnock where we magiced 30,000+ fans, be honest mate, how many wives, bairns, well wishers, people that only go when a cup is in the offing and they think we'll beat the opposition do you think were at these games? I'd say well over 10,000.

Whilst your on it with that argument do you recall another game at our national stadium where these same classes of fans embarressed the club by NOT turning up and leaving a whole section of the ground empty? Why? 1, it wasnt a final & 2, we were playing a half decent side? Ohhhhhh but to be fair that side was only our biggest rivals eh?

We like a great many other clubs have a big proportion of "fair weather" fans, I doubt that unless titles, CL, cups were being won routinely we'd be able to draw in 20,000+ each home game I'm afraid.
32

RANGERS LOYALIST,

GB 18/08/2008 13:57:37
Of course it's penny-pinching.
He's admitted that they don't pay the same wages as Hearts so how does he expect to compete?
I'm sure the Hibs fans pay the same money as Hearts fans so they should be entitled to expect that the board will try and compete with them.
The amount of money Hibs have pulled in through transfers must be one of the highest in Scotland over the past 5 years or so.
Who gives a foock about a nice new stand if the players on the pitch are gash?
33

We love fitba,

google! 18/08/2008 14:03:02
#32 Loyalist,

You're not very clever. Hearts run up colossal debts every season to pay their wage bill, Hibs do not. That's why Hibs can't match them... and nor should they.

Petrie always said that the transfer fees would be used to strengthen the club, not the squad. You can disagree with this plan - many have - but it should come as a surprise.
34

Saturday Sammy,

Port O`Leith 18/08/2008 14:05:03
Full house at an enlarged ER is the stuff of dreams I`m afraid. I agree totally with #31 Hibbyspurs in that the crowds (however many) will only participate if the product on the park is deserving of their presence. If the team declines, so too will attendances. Even if Hibs were to improve significantly, I hasten to recall a truly great Hibs team in the 70`s having crowds well under 20,000 for games other than big occasions. That was in an atmosphere practically bereft of TV whereby if you wanted to see a game you went .... no alternative. I believe in improving the ground and that the old East Stand has no place in modern football, however, no team - no crowds, dead simple.
35

Hibby Heapy,

18/08/2008 14:19:21
Right lets get one thing straight with regards to the new stand... it will not be getting built in the near future.

Having spoken to someone on the bank side of this deal, HBOS we're willing to lend the money to the club, but at a vastly inflated rate. They also wanted to re-negotiate the overdraft and all existing loans as well. If this was agreed, the bank would have given the board the money to start buying the steel work, which had already been priced up.

However the board we're unwilling to re-negotiate the existing loan facilities. When they we're originally agreed, the board had managed to get the bank to agree to an annual 1% interested rate right across the board. Tom Farmer and his FD had actually put one over on HBOS.

However now that the price of steel is rising, and the credit crunch is around he corner, along with HBOS's losses, the Board we're un-willing to mortgage the clubs future on a new stand just because HBOS were wanting to start lining their pockets again.

I for one, though disappointed that the new stand is on the back burner, am glad that we are not going to go down the speculate to accumulate road again. I am happy that HBOS, our bankers are very happy with the way the club is run. We only ever use our overdraft during the summer holidays and can anyone tell me of any other club in not just Scotland, but the whole of the UK that is in a position to do that?

Well done Mr Petrie. The man is a financial genius and will make sure that Hibs are here for another 100 years, unlike some Chairmen who run their clubs in to debt to silence their abusive fans or plunge them into mountains of debt.
36

Lenny,

18/08/2008 14:27:25
RANGERS LOYALIST

Not the brightest are we? The reason Hearts have a 30 million or so debt (dont know what it is know) is becouse they spend so much money on wages. We cannot match Heartch wages, but then either can Hearts!
37

Saturday Sammy,

Port O`Leith 18/08/2008 14:31:08
#35 Great stuff man. Opinions on Rod Petrie aside, very informative indeed. The arguement therefore becomes hypothetical and the point being made is one of principle. Stand or no stand, if the board aim to drive up revenues, the football team must be developed appropriately otherwise there is no substance to the entity that is Hibernian FC. Yes, the board run a good ship as they say, but isn`t mere survival dispiriting?
38

Hibby Heapy,

18/08/2008 14:38:08
#37. Mere survival is indeed dispiriting, but I would rather survive than die a painful death. Remember what happened when Mercer tried to kill us off?

Mind you I've always said that it was a plot by Sir Tom and his friend Uncle Wallace to get the Duff brother out because of the job they were doing at ER. In fact I would go as far to say they were nearly as bad as Mad Vlad!

I would also contend that within a few years we will have a new bunch of kids ready to go to the sales and then with the money we bank from them, along with the hopeful economic upturn, we will build the stand and then a team worthy of it.

Let’s face it, Hibs fans would accept 11th place every season as long as the Hertz are 12th!

GGTTH
39

Hibernia,

18/08/2008 14:41:01
#32 its called being sensible with money rather than throwing high wages around, huge transfer fees and all the agents fees that come along with it too. Hibs got stung by it a few years ago and have made a sensible decision that they are not going to pay high wages to average players that plod around the SPL.
40

Neutral Observer,

18/08/2008 14:59:17
I would be confident that work on the new stand will commence at the end of the current season, 6 months or so behind the original schedule. A substantial amount of the funding is already in place and the balance will be found, not necessarily from HBOS.

Why am I confident? There are 2 main reasons:

1) Planning approval expires in 2010 and the board will not risk that a renewal will be given.

2) Tom Farmer wants it as part of his legacy.

As for the old theory 'build it and they will come', in my opinion there is the probability that more fans would occupy a more civilised East Stand but the likelyhood is that even the existing stadium is unlikely to be full at upwards of £22 a game except for the very big games. So the argument that there is no point in improving the infrastructure unless you can fill it is not liable to interest the board. As for improving the team? There will be the odd useful player found by transfers in but the best way to build a successful side is by developing your own players. That was proved in the last 5 years.
41

hibbyspurs,

18/08/2008 15:09:36
#40 - NO

The best way for Hibs to develop a succesful side is to develop their own players through youth system etc?

Couldnt agree with you more....

However I'm sure you'll agree that this master plan falls to bits when having developed such talent the owners of the club just auction them off one by one..... This has also been proved in the last 5 years!!!
42

Ghengis McCann,

Edinburgh 18/08/2008 15:16:46
"The 'speculate to accumulate' strategy has been so thoroughly discredited within football that it is not an option"

Also known as the "run up a £37m debt in three seasons to finish 8th in the SPL" strategy.
43

Hibs fc,

18/08/2008 15:17:41
36# LENNY ARE YOU ON MEDICATION,
WHAT A SPELLER,
44

Saturday Sammy,

Port O`Leith 18/08/2008 15:18:35
#40 Hand reared players are indeed the best way for clubs like Hibs to go but that needs balanced by the presence of experience also. It`s also unfortunately very profitable as the inevitable loss of these would be stars has proved so profoundly in recent years. Provincial clubs must sell to survive and the cycle of events repeats and repeats and it just leaves you feeling scunnered and hopeless. When and how do you outgrow this process? Never : is the easy answer. Can`t see the day when Hibs can repell the vulture.
45

Neutral Observer,

18/08/2008 15:19:37
#41 Hibbyspurs

Yes, its been sickening to see these players go but.....

1) Hibs could not have held on to all of them as player power now rules

2) The players in the future who should be paid above the wage cap must be the ones who really deserve it. But top players will not be held back in their careers. Look at Scott Brown, probably the best of the recent bunch. Hibs will never be able to pay him the 24k a week he is reputed to be getting at Celtic.

The current bunch are not really worth any more than the SPL non old firm rate.
46

Dood,

18/08/2008 15:22:00
#28 - Amburno

Best post in a while mate. You sum the situation up perfectly.

Just need to remember that just over five years ago we were in serious dire straits. Today, we're healthy and have built up the infrastructure of the club. Once the new stand is built (and the small remaining debt is cleared), our infrastructure will be complete and any income collected by the club will be invested on the playing park. That's what football is about now. In that policy, we are streets ahead of most other clubs.

Sure, at times we may struggle on the park and, yes, we have done over the past year or so, but we will turn the corner.

And as for when the new stand will be built, frankly I don't care. I have 100% trust that the board will make a decision which is correct for Hibernian.

GGTTH
47

Dood,

18/08/2008 15:24:41
#45 NO

Also spot on.

Nice thought that we might have retained them all, but that's the way it goes. Does any Hibbie honestly expect the board to match Rangers wages for Whitty/Thommo, Locomotivs for big Garry........

Any who do expect that really need to get real.

#42 Ghengis - Sums it all up really.
48

Hibs football club - ex player,

18/08/2008 15:24:58
Let's not kid ourselfs on, but at least we are going in the correct direction.
49

Dood,

18/08/2008 15:27:56
Could be worse, Big Rod could be picking the team.

Ach no, that's just crazy talk. A Chairman picking the team. Surely not?

Eh Shabba?
50

Rolland,

18/08/2008 15:48:20
Ha ha Dood #49 - Might be better if Rod does pick the team, Mixu doesn't have much of a scobbie doo now does he. Relegation awaits you, remember the last time a season ended 8/9....... what happened then... A repeat is on the cards you mark my words.
51

Dood,

18/08/2008 15:51:54
#50 Rolly

Oh dear, you're back.

Clearly the treatment didn't work, did it?

Oh aye, and I will mark your words. I'm still chortling about your hilarious 'Mark McGhee and Vlad's millions' quip.

Now go away before you further embarass yourself.
52

Hibs football club - ex player,

18/08/2008 15:57:05
#50 Rolland Rat.
return when the spelling improves, maybe, just maybe, we'll be able to understand you,

Scobbie doo ???
53

Rolland,

18/08/2008 16:00:57
So how is the "buy a brick" campagin progressing lads ? I mean what is all this talk of steel now ? They don't half know how to pull the wool of a hobo's eyes.

Would you like a wee reminder of what happened in 98/99 season the last time the seasons ended in 8/9 ? Or are you lot too young to recall such wonderful times.
54

Lenny,

18/08/2008 16:01:38
Rolland

What exactly has happened to Vlads 15M war chest which you actually believed would surface? It would appear that an unknown manager and 1 player was actually enough to get you all believing again.
55

Hibs football club - ex player,

18/08/2008 16:07:35
Hibernians keeper helps Belguim into semi-final.
looking good.
56

Hibs football club - ex player,

18/08/2008 16:08:02
belgium
57

Hibs football club - ex player,

18/08/2008 16:10:11
#53 Rolland what is your point!
is it an arguement you want because of the way your team played at the weekend.
58

Rolland,

18/08/2008 16:10:54
Dood

Before spouting your drivel, tell me what the one player is your talking about ? Big Mikey or David ?

1 player indeed you really should check your facts before posting, although I understand Hobo's don't like facts eh.
59

Dood,

18/08/2008 16:12:26
#53 Rolly

Dearie dear. That the best you can come up with? Same tired rantings.

I mean, you get something thrown back at you and rather than answer/challenge it, you just try having petty and purile shots.

I'll address yours though.

Aye, if Hibs have the 'brick' scheme, I'll buy one. Why not? If it brings income in, then it must be good. If Hearts had one, would you not buy into it? Plenty of other clubs do it. Its called money making, looking into new revenue streams.

So then, what happened to the 'war chest'?
60

Rolland,

18/08/2008 16:13:41
#57 - My point is we have been hearing for over a year now that your club has no debt, yet this article states it has reduced the debt, different from being cleared. We were told you were replacing that shed (was it bulit by the Romans ?). But hey nothing doing on that front. Then for someone to have a go about Hearts signings with the state of things at ER, we have added quality, now you honestly can't say that about the Brian Kerr types you've added once again.
61

Dood,

18/08/2008 16:13:48
#58 Idiot

Eh? What are you talking about? Are you mad?

Heeeeeeeeeeeeee Hawwwwwwwwwwwwww.
62

Rolland,

18/08/2008 16:15:57
Dood - The war chest is still in place although I admit not to the tune of 15million now. Players are coming in and proper coaches are being sought. The war chest is currently at the 6mil mark for this season (note this will also be used in Jan window).
63

Dood,

18/08/2008 16:18:01
#60 - I'll keep battering you.

Was our shed built by the Romans? No, in the 1980's. When was your main stand built?

Yes, we have reduced the debt. It stood, I seem to remember, at about £7m in long term mortgages/loans. this was offset by around £4.5 cash in the bank. Net debt? Not a lot.

The shed will be replaced. Might not happen this year, probably next. We've only talked about it, about exploring the fans opinions. How's the £52m white elephant going?

You've added quality? Who? Obua. Might be good, never seen him, don't know. Our new signings look ok, I'm happy with them so far.
64

Rolland,

18/08/2008 16:18:04
Ah #61 Dood, sorry that was meant for Lenny and his only signed one player remark which clearly isn't the case.
65

Dood,

18/08/2008 16:18:46
#62

£6m.

Another classic line, well done.

Men in white coats for Rolland please.
66

Rolland,

18/08/2008 16:22:54
#63

Still waiting on the planning application coming through for our 52 million pound development which included the rebuilding of the main stand.

Indeed 6mil something that you guys can but dream about.

Do you polish the balance sheet and have it sitting pride of place in the trophy cabinet ?
67

Rolland,

18/08/2008 16:23:46
Still wondering if anyone can remember 98/99 season..... or is it to painful lads ?
68

Dood,

18/08/2008 16:30:13
#67 - Yes, I remember it. I also remember you being relegated three times. It happens. Get over it.

Is that really the best you can come up with? Why don't you throw in 107, 22 blah blah blah. Have a wee look back over the thread - the discussion was about Hibs and their current financial status. Then you came along with your pathetic, purile keech.

Theres a Hearts thread for you to post on for that.
69

Hibs football club - ex player,

18/08/2008 16:33:55
#67 Not as painful as the Albert Kidd season,
please now jog along you are embarrassing the fans of hearts.
70

Hibs football club - ex player,

18/08/2008 16:35:18
Ernie Winchester
and he drove the fastest milkcart in the west..
71

Rolland,

18/08/2008 16:39:24
Oh did you lads also get relegated the year the Hearts went up to lift the scottish cup ?

Recall getting beat at ER and you muppets singing your goin to fin f all, oh how I giggled as the cup went round celtic park with JJ and the boys.
72

Rolland,

18/08/2008 16:41:18
And to keep Dood happy, since this is about Hibs and finances, its not so much penny pinch but really multi million pound transfer pinching. Where did the 4.5 for scott brown go ? In Rods back pocket ?
73

hibbyspurs,

18/08/2008 17:04:28
Rolland,

You are an eejit lad, you always have and always will be. YOur an embarrasement to normal Hearts supporters.

Actually do you work directly for Vlad or something as your level of belief is intself unblievable.

You honestly think you lot are going to spend £6m in January? Why not now eh? Why wait until your 9th in the league come Jan 1st?

As for your comment about transfer revenuse going in Rods pocket, First off he'd have to own the club to "cream off" the profits, he is an employee of the club ya fool appointed by the clubs owner Sir Tom Farmer.

Fortunately your back to school the morn eh? Its sad for you as another year of weedgies, being called chubbs & having to sit out of PE as your rotund form cant cope awaits..... Enjoy.....
74

Rolland,

18/08/2008 17:37:19
HibbySpurs.

What a pink shirt wearer you are my sonny. Excelled at PE is you must know, that was a while ago no as I'm pushing the wrong side of 30. Just fed up of all your hobo nonsense, debt free, new stand. Your the wee team in a big city, now run along.
75

Hibs football club - ex player,

18/08/2008 17:55:49
Rolland boy are you ill, seriously go for a walk, half an hour or so, then come back better for it..
76

Robbo Robbo Robbo Robbo Robbo Robbo Robertson!,

18/08/2008 18:40:46
#75 Were you the captain of the 98' side?
77

Dood,

18/08/2008 19:53:20
A big well done to Rolland on his performance today. Continuously knocked down, but kept getting up for more.

Sadly, he only succeeded in proving what we all knew already - That he is a prize Phanny.
78

Hibs football club - ex player,

18/08/2008 20:33:54
#77 No could have been the seven nil game though.. or the six two..
79

Robbo Robbo Robbo Robbo Robbo Robbo Robertson!,

18/08/2008 22:16:27
#79 Would that not make you about 85? Your doing well auld yin
80

Edinburghs only big team,

18/08/2008 22:41:13
You are the weakest team! Good Bye!
81

handsome love guru. And very rich. HEE HEE HE HE,

19/08/2008 11:41:22
Sad hi-bee = get sexual gratification through self-stimulation thinking of 7-0
82

Eddie,

Edinburgh 19/08/2008 12:06:18
No 23 (yes that was a while ago) tells us that this story was 'stolen' from the club's newsletter at the weekend.

The rest of us read ..."In a newsletter issued to fans attending Saturday's first home game of the season Lindsay said: ..."
83

NavyHibee,

Belfast 19/08/2008 12:06:31
REF: 28 Amburno.

This man talks good sense.

In football you can either throw money at the team with short term success like Leeds United who have now started to progress slowly again, or you can gradually build the foundations to progress like Hull, who are on the next phase of their progression. Get rid of debt, invest in infrastructure, such as a stadium, training facility and youth academy then look to progress the team onto the next higher level. Alternatively, we could invest in the same way Hearts have, take on all the debt then one day when we realise that we're in administration we can all come and blog on this site about the poor management and illicit spending. Unfortunately, football is a business and if you don't run it like a business you will end up in trouble.

Just remember, the David Murrays and Vladamir Romanovs of this world, who are happy to take on debt and write it off against their own wealth or bank, will not be around forever.
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stanton4,

19/08/2008 13:11:47
the board were extremely lucky to have all these players cominhg through at the same time...it wasn't necessarily genius. It is not a viable plan to expect it to happen again, especially as they let the Park bloke got to CFC... was that a money issue again ??

Of course the club needs to live within its revenues but surely the transfer money is part and parcel of that. Why is it necessary to hold it against capital outlays ??
85

NavyHibee,

Edinburgh 19/08/2008 13:31:17
I agree, they were lucky, but all that luck has merely speeded up the process of building the infrastructure.

I do agree that they probably should release more money to the management. However, as we've seen at other clubs, managers are given money, spend it badly and can't make the money back on a poor investment. I think mixu will have to prove himself to be good in the transfer market before the board give him money.

John Collins probably should have been given the money after proving himself as a good manager, but i suppose the only question mark over him was that he was living off Mowbray's success. If mixu has a good season this year and proves that his signings are worthwhile then he should be given access to cash.

What i would like to know is why are Hibs missing out on the rest of the best talent. Motherwell and co. seem to be scooping up old firms youngsters, who have proved to be good acquisitions. Why don't we go out and sign players like Jim O'Brien and David Clarkson? We could have had got Gow before he wasted his life at Rangers. Even Broadfoot would have been a good signing.
Even Ardley at Falkirk would be a good signing.
If old firm are going for our players surely we should be going for the rest of the SPL talent?
86

Neutral Observer,

19/08/2008 13:45:22
#85 Stanton4

Windfall gains cannot be invested in big wage packets since, once the windfall money runs out, how do you fund the continuing expectations for high wages. And..........do high wages really make players play better? Just gets them bigger cars and they grow lazy in their big houses.

87

Neutral Observer,

19/08/2008 13:55:05
#86 NavyHibee

Sometimes a good player can be let go by the Old Firm but really, its not that often. Last one I recall Hibs getting was Dobbie and he could not cut it. Now at Queen of the South.

As for the players you mention:

1)Jim O'Brien is really not very good.
2) David Clarkson has really been developed by Motherwell.
3) Collins tried to sign Gow but he preferred Rangers. He is lightweight and average.
4) Broadfoot was a product of the Hibernian youth system before asking to be released as he was homesick for Ayrshire. He subsequently signed for St Mirren.

Hibs have some very promising players in the under 19's and reserves who must be developed before Old Firm discards.
88

hibbeegreensmoke,

19/08/2008 22:38:28
*21

80k a week. calm down! your lucky if the wage structure tips 40k a week
89

Waspy100,

20/08/2008 19:12:42
#38
And Hearts would settle for the Scottish cup every year but only if the hobbits got relegated.

 

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