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Parliament chiefs apply letter of law to new welcome sign



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Published Date: 10 June 2008
IT cost £20,000 and has only been up two-and-a-half weeks – but already workmen have been called back to fix the latest addition to the Scottish Parliament.


Holyrood bosses decided they were not happy with the giant "Public Entrance" sign outside the front of the building. The final "E" was four millimetres too high, they said.

So contractors (pictured above) were summoned back yesterday to put matters right.

A spokeswoman said: "It involves a bit of stonework and a bit of paint. We will have a look at it when it is finished today and check we are happy."

The giant granite sign was criticised as unnecessary and extravagant when it was first proposed. But parliament officials insisted research showed signage needed to be improved and materials had to be of appropriate quality for a World Heritage Site.

The £414 million parliament building was opened in October 2004, but visitor numbers have not matched experts' forecasts.

The irregular-shaped sign, which measures 5.9 metres by 1.1 metres, was due to go up towards the end of April, but finally made its appearance three weeks later.

Then, yesterday, the area immediately in front of the sign was taped off again.

A workman with a spirit level told a passer-by the sign was "squint".

But parliament officials said the contractors had been asked to come back to "sharpen up" the lettering.

And one workman was later seen using a chisel on the sign, which reads "Scottish Parliament Public Entrance" in English and Gaelic.

Edinburgh Pentlands Conservative MSP David McLetchie said: "It's probably just another example of how ill-fated most aspects of the construction of this building have been and it continues true to form."

Last week the Evening News revealed the parliament had spent over £250,000 on a traffic light system and new barriers to control the entrance and exit to the MSPs' underground car park.

Mr McLetchie said he had not noticed any problems with the sign. "I have not studied it that closely, but in so far as it told us where the public entrance was it seemed to do that effectively.

"But if the design is not right, we shouldn't pay for what we didn't order."

Lothians Labour MSP George Foulkes said most people would not have noticed any problem with the sign.

"It would have been better just to leave it," he said. "If one of the letters is not quite right it could have become a curiosity like a stamp with a misprint."

The parliament spokeswoman said: "It's a minor correction. The last E of entrance was four millimetres too high. We felt it was not what we had asked for."

But she stressed the work was being carried out at no extra expense to the parliament.





The full article contains 478 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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1

Raoul Duke,

10/06/2008 12:07:08
I wish Foulkes would shut his face. This is a complete non-issue.
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allknowing,

10/06/2008 12:10:05
"But if the design is not right, we shouldn't pay for what we didn't order"

Quite right!
3

M33,

10/06/2008 12:10:43
Excuse me, but the whole line is squint - look at the photograph. Either that or the whole building is leaning at about 15 degrees, which would surprise no-one.
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10/06/2008 12:20:40
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The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

10/06/2008 12:33:19
The world IS squint. I've been thinking this for some time.

The dutch are having real problems in Squintlijk province.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/rslick/IMG_5105.jpg
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Iain Bhern,

10/06/2008 12:34:44
"But parliament officials insisted research showed signage needed to be improved and materials had to be of appropriate quality for a World Heritage Site."

So how did they get away with putting up that monstrosity of a parliament building ?
7

Jenny MacArthur,

10/06/2008 12:44:02
Oh, genius Iain Bhern! Your insight into contemporary architecture is so finely judged, I just cannot see how the building's won so many international awards, given by independent judged without a mean-minded politically-inspired parochial axe to grind. So you don't like it. You're a typical pathetic whiner. And you think the rest of us care for your shallow diatribes against anything to do with the parliament? Not!
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10/06/2008 12:47:46
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FrankGallagher,

10/06/2008 13:11:25
Mario, are you trying to say the world is squint and out of focus?
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The Central Scutinizor,

10/06/2008 13:12:29
7# spot on Jenny! these same whingers will happily be whingeing away about any aspect of the parliament,even in years to come, spurred on by the tired attempts by overpaid and undertalented journalists to create non-stories - it cost 20 grand, so what? it's a fantastic building which has won numerous top design awards, so what would you rather a crappy sign from B&Q at £10.50? get a life.
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FrankGallagher,

10/06/2008 13:12:32
I like that they have a spirit level out just to make sure that its not the sign that is squint! Good one Lofthus Signs!
12

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

10/06/2008 13:14:12
I think "'E' High at Scottish Parliament" would have been a better title.
13

subrosa,

10/06/2008 14:10:51
The building is dreadful. Imagine a Parliament building having to erect a sign to show the entrance. Unbelievable. (The entrance is so insignificant that it does need signing). A little grandeur in the architecture wouldn't have gone amiss, but then the politicians involved didn't want it in the first place did they.
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The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

10/06/2008 14:11:26
The world is very squint .

Theres no difference between the Edinburgh Evening News and The Onion, except the Onion makes more sense.
15

Mikey,

10/06/2008 14:19:00
I agree with the Central Scrutiniser, although I wonder what he's been up to at the Armoury......
16

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

10/06/2008 15:05:05
Its the political correctness gone mad bit (gaelic) which i object to.

At least in Canada and Belgium some people actually speak french. Gaelic isnt a language its a type of bread to go with pizzaz.

17

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 10/06/2008 15:42:56
"A spokeswoman said: "It involves a bit of stonework and a bit of paint. We will have a look at it when it is finished today and check we are happy."

Well, that was a good days' work the Scottish electorate are really getting value for money from this bunch of layabouts. I do hope that 'they' are 'happy' after they've looked at it (completely unbelievable).

As they say, this stuff is so pathetic you couldn't make it up.

The Scottish Parlaimaent and trams, jointly the disgrace of Scotland. I for one can't wait for the trams to fail and for the Parliament building to fall down (again).

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alex patersons English teacher,

10/06/2008 15:44:02
16.
youll like my part time work hear then.

http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/vli/language/scots/index.htm
19

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

10/06/2008 15:48:41
18 Oh Jesus mary joseph and all the angels and father Ted.

I've seen that before and it's just not right.
20

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

10/06/2008 15:51:35
Is iad “Tadhlaibh air ur pàrlamaid” agus “Garlic Bread” na prògraman foghlaim ùra againn do sgoiltean. Faodaidh sibh turas a wee slice of pizza air dòigh don Phàrlamaid ann an Dùn Èideann no faodaidh sinne a thighinn dhan sgoil agaibh. Tha seiseanan Computer ann mar phàirt de gach seisean agus binoculars cothrom ann coinneachadh ri having a we chug (cho fad’s a tha e comasach dhaibh a bhith an làthair). Faodaidh sibh a chàradh airson tursan eadar an t-Sultain agus an Dùbhlachd 2008 bho Dhiluain 9mh Ògmhios. Tha na prògraman ok billy you better take that dog out for a walk now. Useo rim faighinn tron Ghàidhlig do dh'fhoghlam tro mheadhan na Gàidhlig agus do Pea and Ham ! luchd-ionnsachaidh na Gàidhlig san sgoil.
21

gorgeousgorgieboy,

Edinburgh 10/06/2008 16:33:53
An onion makes me cry.

The EEN just makes me greet.
22

Alberto.,

10/06/2008 16:41:02

George Foulkes commented:-

"It would have been better just to leave it," he said. "If one of the letters is not quite right it could have become a curiosity like a stamp with a misprint."

The place is already a curiosity, seemingly with many 'misprints' attributed to it already - and at an enormous continuing expense!

The sign - or the lettering of same, from the photo above does appear to be 'sqinty' - perhaps both, but probably is appropriate, everything considered!

Nothing in Politics is ever straight!
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10/06/2008 17:02:51
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10/06/2008 17:04:33
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Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 10/06/2008 17:06:36
"But parliament officials insisted research showed signage needed to be improved and materials had to be of appropriate quality for a World Heritage Site."

What a load of dogs testes, both these petty 'officials' (no doubt on ridiculously high saleries) and this so-called 'World Heritage Site' - Edinburgh. The place is just one giant spittoon with matching puke-covered pavements and these plonkers at Holyrood are worried because part of a sign is 4mm out - get a grip, better still get your p45s you wasters.

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Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 10/06/2008 17:25:01
#20 Mario,

I hope a "phàirt de gach" isn't what I think it might be. Anyway, based on this article, it looks like the Scottish Parliament employs a lot of them!!

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Alberto.,

10/06/2008 18:45:48
I imagine the Holyrood construction only has the one entrance for the general Public, but has a number of other entrances / exits, for use by ‘authorised’ others, and presumably the ‘powers that be’ - in their wisdom, will have appropriate signage displayed at all entrances and exits, in obvious places, clearly indicating to everyone approaching such areas on the outside if they are, or are not, at a ‘Public place of entry’ (don’t leave them to guess!) and also give directions to where the Public can make entry!

On the inside of the building, no doubt there will already be clear and distinct signage indicating the ‘Way Out!’

While probably many Gaelic speakers may attend the building, for various reasons, I would have thought there would be a greater demand, and more helpful, if consideration was given to the Tourist and perhaps for such a simple instruction as - ‘Way In’ Way Out’ in German, French, Chinese, Japanese or any other that might be considered as ‘helpful.’ - and perhaps profitable, who knows?

Keep it simple and clear - nothing exotic but more importantly nothing expensive!
30

McMadman,

Saor Alba 10/06/2008 23:21:39
#29, Alberto

"While probably many Gaelic speakers may attend the building, for various reasons, I would have thought there would be a greater demand, and more helpful, if consideration was given to the Tourist and perhaps for such a simple instruction as - ‘Way In’ Way Out’ in German, French, Chinese, Japanese or any other that might be considered as ‘helpful.’ - and perhaps profitable, who knows?"

Hey, just to be controversial. The building is the scottish parliament. The official languages are gaelic and scots. No others.

If we had every tourist language god knows what size the sign would be. I expect most tourists would, like I do when abroad, make an effort to understand the signage, language basics, get a guide book, or try to ask someone if in doubt, rather than automatically expect immediate translation.
31

An Beal Bacht,

11/06/2008 01:44:52
Clearly the lettering is squinty. Did the company that produced this sign think labour were still running the place?
32

Grahamski,

Falkirk 11/06/2008 06:18:14
I wonder how much money is squandered annually on pandering to the Gaelic lobby? How much of our money is flushed down the toilet by insisting in ludicrous translation and all those broadcast programmes in Gaelic?
Is there anybody out there that can understand only Gaelic? Are we excluding any of our fellow Scots by using only English? As long as jobs and services are being cut this is a luxury we can ill-afford. Have the administration even looked at how much we could save by binning this posturing?
There is obviously a very well-organised Gaelic lobby who make a fortune out of translation/broadcast services and who are making a right good living on the back of us.
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Buttress,

11/06/2008 09:02:51
And this is the council which passed Caltongate?

www.eh8.org.uk


BTW 27 - the WHS only covers a small area - not the entire city.
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James (1),

11/06/2008 09:54:54
Buy a 2nd hand snooker table, strip off the green biaze. Buy a stencil set and can of white spray paint.
Job done.
Alternatively get some clown who has access to a public cheque book and name your price.
Either way you get a badly designed sign which will be in keeping with the building.
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11/06/2008 11:41:58
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 11/06/2008 12:06:52
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Derek,
On the contrary, I fully support diversity in language and culture. However, when cuts are being imposed on frontline services it seems pretty obvious to me that the least important expenditure should be cut first.
Rather then nurseries shutting I would suggest cutting budgets which pays for Gaelic translation services.
I know that that takes money away from the powerful Gaelic lobby but to be brutally honest tough, they've made a killing over the years. As the SNP are so keen to crow, time to stop the gravy train and get the snouts out of the Gaelic trough....

 

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