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Pupils hurt in 'horrendous' accidents with swing doors



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Published Date: 18 November 2008
THREE children at a city primary have had to be taken to hospital after getting their fingers trapped in heavy swing doors.
Parents said the poor state of St John's Primary in Portobello contributed to the accidents, and two families have now launched compensation claims against the city council.

The council, meanwhile, has ordered "finger guards" to be placed in all doors in the school following the latest accident.

The father of five-year-old Elliot Telfer hit out at the "appalling" state of St John's following his son's accident last week.

Mark Telfer said Elliot had a "lucky escape" after the youngster's fingers were trapped in a fire door leading to the toilet block. Mr Telfer, 38, visited the scene of his son's accident the same night and was "astounded" at the condition of the school, which is one of five awaiting refurbishment or replacement under the city's "wave three" programme.

Mr Telfer, who runs a storage business, said: "Part of the problem with the door is that it needs to be replaced.

"I was absolutely appalled with the state of disrepair at the school, especially in the toilets where Elliot trapped his fingers.

"He was very lucky because he could have lost his fingers.

"The doctors at the Sick Kids said he was very fortunate.

"Boys are always jumping around, you can't wrap them in cotton wool, but I was flabbergasted when I found out what had happened to him. I can't fault the school staff and headteacher, but they're there to teach kids, not watch them 24/7 in case fire doors that don't have adequate stoppers close on their fingers."

The other two incidents happened within the last year.

In the most serious case it is understood that a young girl's fingertip had to be re-attached after it was trapped in a door. The two families involved are seeking compensation though Mr Telfer is not and said he just wanted to ensure it did not happen again.

David Manson, chair of the school's parent council, said he asked for assurances on the safety of the doors in the school after the previous incidents, which he described as "horrendous".

He said: "Some of the doors are an accident waiting to happen, they are great big heavy doors and some of them are designed to swing shut.

"The state of the school is such that things that should have been done decades ago are still waiting to be done."

A council spokesperson said: "All the doors which have fire door closers in schools are inspected annually to ensure they are closing properly and meeting health and safety regulations.

"Additional finger guards are now being fitted as an extra precaution to ensure that this does not happen again."


The full article contains 468 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 18 November 2008 11:53 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Schools in Edinburgh
 
1

allknowing,

18/11/2008 11:58:27
{art of growing up, happened to me and all my friends. Certainly teaches you to be more carefull though doesnt it.

Leave it be and take it as a life lesson.
2

Grumpy,

18/11/2008 12:04:49
Why is Mr Manson photographed against the backdrop of Portobello High School and not St John's?
3

bobwmac,

New Mexico/Stirlingshire 18/11/2008 12:09:19
"...two families have now launched compensation claims against the city council."

Compensation for what? Because their brats can't use a door properly? So whose fault is that?
4

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 18/11/2008 12:11:16
Don't all doors "swing"?

Funny thing is, when I was at school I remember the teacher saying something along the lines of "Don't put your fingers in the door jamb because if the door closes on them, it's likely to hurt". Another funny thing was the fact that almost everyone obeyed this particular piece of advice.

Other related pieces of advice included things like "If someone is following you through the door, hold it open for them" and "Don't play with doors or windows because you could get your fingers trapped".

Strange how these pieces of advice don't work now. Isn't it?
5

Sister Morag,

Lasswade 18/11/2008 12:23:27
If they don't know how to use a door properly then there's no hope for the little petals. The parents might also want to warn their offspring about other blatantly obvious dangers they may encounter in everyday life, such as don't play on busy roads, don't play with sharp objects...that kind of thing
6

alex paterson,

edinburgh 18/11/2008 12:26:39
You have hurt your finger poor wee thing,yir pinkie dearie me,the school is a wreck.
7

Concerned Sighthill,

18/11/2008 12:27:28
Excuse my cynicism but isn't that the David Manson who recently left the Tories and joined the SNP saying he was seeking a seat on the Council?
8

Decent,

18/11/2008 12:28:58
Part of the problem with the door is that it needs to be replaced.?????????
9

Bill MacD,

18/11/2008 12:31:03
Oh, the poor dears got their fingers trapped. Certainly puts the genocide in Somalia into context, doesn't it.
10

Propaganda boy,

18/11/2008 12:33:45
The school is under funded and can't afford upgrade so my child has hurt her fingers..............

I know I will sue the school!!!

That will really help future funding and attending children.
11

Sister Morag,

Lasswade 18/11/2008 12:34:53
"The state of the school is such that things that should have been done decades ago are still waiting to be done."

For decades then, pupils have been using the very same doors without incident or injury? Today's kids must be particularly dim.
12

lizziedripping,

Edinburgh 18/11/2008 12:42:02
Jings, when I saw the headline about the "horrendous" accident, I thought someone had been decapitated.How much compo can you get for nipping your fingers in a door? Don't go telling the other kids at St John's: an orderly queue will be forming. The doors in my work are a bit stiff: I'm off to stick my fingers in them: that's Christmas sorted.
13

Labradoodle,

at my desk with a big baked tattie 18/11/2008 12:43:01
'horrendous'my backside. Losing a limb being left with permanent scarring, being burnt, losing an eye etc etc all horrendous - trapping your finger I don't think so.
People don't realise that by suing the council they (and other council tax payers)will be the ones paying in the long term.

'man up'
14

Scotish Exile,

18/11/2008 12:45:40
bet you the wee brats will be more careful in the future! its called learning, get on with it and stop moaning, now whit's for lunch??
15

Brian Ferrari,

18/11/2008 12:48:33
Keep an eye out for Council adverts for 15,000 "Door Operatives"
16

I love to eat Sellotape,

18/11/2008 12:49:08
Sinatra's Swingin' Doors are at the Queen's Hall next week.
17

Mr Crisps,

Musselburgh 18/11/2008 13:00:22
It's a disgrace etc.
18

Pond Hall,

18/11/2008 13:05:42
yip

first thought from the parents Sue Sue Sue

and hows "wee johnny"?
19

Phil MaGlass,

Holland 18/11/2008 13:15:06
Nothing wrong with suing if you have an accident through no fault of your own.
20

The Leith Lothario,

Here.... 18/11/2008 13:18:28
Silly kids who leave there fingers in doors are at fault for their own accident??

19* you catch your fingers much??
21

Hmm?,

18/11/2008 13:19:48
"The two families involved are seeking compensation"

Oh what a surprise...

Having read the article twice, I'm still unlear as to what is actually wrong with these doors? Is it that they are too heavy?

""Part of the problem with the door is that it needs to be replaced." Why?
22

Giraffe,

Edinburgh 18/11/2008 13:23:19
Before I even read the article I just knew someone would be suing!! And aye, as other said you'd think their arm had been chopped off There are some things that you'd have the right to sue but surely not for getting your fingers stuck. I got my finger stuck in a wheelie bins (big one) once and it nipped my finger so should I have sued the Council also, nah, I was just more careful next time. Pathetic!
23

Hmm?,

18/11/2008 13:23:28
Had to add another comment :) -

"Parents said the poor state of St John's Primary in Portobello contributed to the accidents"

So were the doors less heavy when the building was a good state?

24

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 18/11/2008 13:37:36
#19:

I hope you don't drive...
25

ShellB,

Edinburgh 18/11/2008 14:07:33
"Some of the doors are an accident waiting to happen, they are great big heavy doors and some of them are designed to swing shut."

Ummm is that not what 'fire doors' are SUPPOSED to do....?
26

Jane Plane,

18/11/2008 14:11:30
I'm confused. Surely if the door was being opened by pulling the handle or the pushed by a metal plate on the other side then your fingers wouldnt be anywhere near the closing part? If you dont use the equipment properly, then injury is never far away. It doesnt mean that anyone else is to blame. Would they sue Ford if their child caught their fingers in the family car ?
27

fresian,

edinburgh 18/11/2008 14:12:38
I presume Mr Telfer is a scheemie. As one of the other posters already said, we were taught about hazards and learnt from it. Too much Jeremy Kyle Scheemie attitudes these days with people trying to make a quick buck.
28

blackley,

Edinburgh 18/11/2008 15:03:58
Stick your fingers in a door son and there'll be a new bike for you this Christmas1
29

west end girl,

edinburgh 18/11/2008 15:04:23
#26 Seems a bit unfair if they drive a Volkswagon
30

I love to eat Sellotape,

18/11/2008 15:17:56
And your evening of swing has been cancelled.
31

Sarcasm,

18/11/2008 15:19:23
Compensation claim indeed, they'll have to point the finger of blame first.
32

The Barred O' Leith,

18/11/2008 15:22:32
I once caught my thingy in my zip. Can I sue Levis?
33

Sarcasm,

18/11/2008 15:59:22
32
No holes, barred?
34

I love to eat Sellotape,

18/11/2008 16:17:02
My grandfather had his manhood shot off at the front. He didn't sue anybody, he just got on with life. He died a few years later,of mental illness.
35

Arrow,

edinburgh 18/11/2008 16:24:08
#34 where else would he be likely to keep his "manhhod"? in his back pocket? come to think of it......

sory to hear he died of mental illness but then so many of his comrades died of metal illness. a bullet or a bit og shrapnel can really spoil your day
36

alex patersons English teacher,

18/11/2008 16:26:42
35
Manhhod,is that for carrying bricks to the tram front.
37

Broughton Resident,

Edinburgh 18/11/2008 16:52:06
Maybe the parents who are sueing are going to donate any money they getto the school to have the doors repaired...
38

antifa,

18/11/2008 16:53:05
"If you dont use the equipment properly, then injury is never far away. It doesnt mean that anyone else is to blame."

We're talking about five-year olds. Jesus, there is something wrong with you people.
39

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 18/11/2008 17:21:51
#38:

Actually, I would expect a 5-year-old to be able to use "equipment" such as a door without any problems at all... Or maybe it is that I've only had contact with 5-year-olds who are budding members of MENSA.
40

Monkeyspanner,

18/11/2008 18:28:32
99% of you posters are pure biscuit heads..
41

Giraffe,

Edinburgh 18/11/2008 18:29:46
No. 38 - I think the main issue here is the parents suing. I don't think it was the kid who said, "ma, am 5 and was running about and jammed by finger in the school fire door, we should sue?" The parents should just tell their bairn to be more careful and worse things can happen to you, and yes, maybe the door does need some kind of adjusting or whatever but it is a bit petty to sue.
42

Giraffe,

Edinburgh 18/11/2008 18:31:32
No. 40 - whats a "pure biscuit head"? Can you buy them in the shop?
43

Grad 1,

Edinburgh 18/11/2008 19:15:54
To all you self-congratulatory know-it-alls that have failed to read the article properly;

"In the most serious case it is understood that a young girl's fingertip had to be re-attached"

Yes, the door cut off the end of a five year old girl's finger. It didn't just "n!p" it, it cut it right off. I have the feeling you might be less enthusiastic with your smart-asre comments if you were having to type them less one finger-tip.

This happened after a similar accident happened to another child. Yet here we are nearly a year later and the same thing has happened again because the council/school have failed to take appropriate action. Maybe suing these people is the only way to make them sit up and take notice.
Alternatively to save the council tax payers footing the bill, maybe we could resort to more traditional justice based on an eye for an eye, by cutting off the odd appendage from those responsible for getting the job done. This may encourage council departments and their incompetent leaders to allocate money towards
the purpose for which it was collected and not the numerous jollies, to Europe and beyond, enjoyed by the idiots in charge.


p.s. can't believe "n!p" is a restricted word. EEN grow-up.
44

Road Raga,

EDINBURGH 18/11/2008 19:24:18
I have cable TV and every third advert is a 'compensation lawyers for you' type.
There is even one now specialising in sueing hospitals.

Lawyers have absolutely NO MORALS, see the recent example of one who made £23million (taxpayers money) from miners claims, but that was still not enough, he had to cheat the miners themselves. The law society are threatening to fine him £5,000 for each offence, that will have him worried.
What charming people they are.
45

Grad 1,

Edinburgh 18/11/2008 19:27:59
#44 Couldn't agree more. These lawyers and The Law Society are nothing more than money-grabbing thiefs.

However, it doesn't absolve the Council of it's duty to spend our money wisely.
46

The real dracula,

18/11/2008 21:10:13
This is a complete over reaction total compensation lark.
I can vividly remember breaking the middle of my finger at primary scool , I never ever did it again.
Even an amputated fingertip is not a ''horrendous injury'' it is in fact classed in hospital as a MINOR INJURY , Its very sore but fingertips do in fact regenerate to a certain extent if its the fleshy part.

Horrendous injuries are stabbed chests /stomachs smashed pelvis's , broken femurs , crushed chests , collapsed lungs ,broken backs , crushed spines and fractured skulls etc.

Even the posters on here deny this it is a fact.

Lets get things into perspective here.

As for compemsation I have no comment except to say greedy , money grabbing ...........
47

roberto,

18/11/2008 22:11:31
that reminds me of the time there was a shooting at my local pub

the landlord said to the police"this man just barged through the door and started firing"

"was it a revolver?" asked the policeman

"no,it was just a normal door" said the barman

48

GorgieRepublic,

Edinburgh 18/11/2008 22:47:10
Nice to see what a compassionate bunch you all are, no-one seems concerned about children being hurt. When I was a kid in the 70s I had my hand caught in a firedoor at school. And no, it wasn't because I was stupidly playing with the door as most of you seem to be suggesting in these comments (what grounds do you have for that, were you there, did you see it? No). Two older boys shoved past me, slammed the doors and the safety device meant to stop them slamming had been removed. Result, heavy firedoor slams into my hand and crushes it, cutting off the tip of one finger and there's a six year old with blood pumping out a maimed hand through no fault of his own. But you all seem to magically know its all the kid's fault here. Grow up and make comments based on thinking and information rather than just jumping to conclusions based on nothing more than your own miserable and negative outlooks on life.
49

The real dracula,

18/11/2008 22:55:57
#48 no one is saying you cant be compassionate to the kids that have hurt themselves , it hurts , you sort it , you give painkillers. And we have all been kids and unfortunately that's sometimes how you learn.
BUT to sue that is ridiculous and to call it a HORRENDOUS injury beggars belief.

No one going to say tell that 5 year old off and smack him/her round the head for being careless.

Things in perspective please if a child falls off the roof and sustains multiple injuries ,,,,that's horrendous , a trapped finger eeehhmm not quite.
50

The real dracula,

18/11/2008 23:01:31
Might I just add #48 that if that has been the worst injury in your life , then without being callous you are very lucky.

We are not being childish realistic maybe and not negative but positive , these injuries are by no means horrendous and people / parents need to be thankful for that.
51

COLINTON.MAINS,

Oakville Ontario 18/11/2008 23:29:21
WHEN,IWENT,TO.SCHOOL.MY.FINGERS.WERE.SORE.EVERYDAY

 

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