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Several Hearts players still waiting for wages



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Published Date: 04 December 2008
By BARRY ANDERSON
SEVERAL Hearts players have still not received their overdue wages from last week, the Evening News can reveal.
Certain members of the squad, understood to include Andy Driver, Bruno Aguiar and Christos Karipidis, were not paid on Monday when the club processed outstanding monies for their players.

As of this morning, the individuals concerned were yet to receive their salaries. They were asked to be patient about the issue during a meeting with senior Hearts officials yesterday, however, no date has been given regarding when wages will arrive.

A Tynecastle source said: "It seems not everyone got their money on Monday and there was a meeting about it."

With this week's salaries due to drop into players' accounts tomorrow, players have been left fearing a repeat scenario of last week's delay.

Wages initially failed to arrive last Friday with the club and officials at Vladimir Romanov's Ukio Bankas Investment Group, Hearts' parent company, stating it was simply a time delay and that payments would go through on Monday.

It has emerged that, while many players did receive funds at the start of the week, some did not.

Furthermore, Arbroath are ready to intensify their attempts to recoup a sell-on fee from Hearts for Andy Webster.

The Gayfield club agreed to accept £14,437 plus VAT from the £150,000 Wigan paid Hearts for Webster following a ruling from the Court of Arbitration for Sport in January this year. However, that debt is still outstanding.

John Christison, the Arbroath chairman, said today: "We had a board meeting on Tuesday night and we discussed a number of things we could do to try and get the money," confirmed Christison.

"We are in touch with the SFA over this but one thing we could do is to ask to freeze their gate receipts and we could also look at applying a signing ban.

"We have been too nice about this for too long and it's sad it has come to this."

The full article contains 336 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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1

Rambo The Jambo,

4-0 at Hampden 04/12/2008 10:42:27
Here we go again.....cue the usual torrent of guff.

Thanks very much Scotsman.
2

I BELIEVE,

TOGETHER 04/12/2008 10:53:36
Come on ANDERSON, 'Understood to include' and 'another nameless Tynecastle source'. Does your journalism not got any better than this. What about some hard evidence and lets hear how's giving you the info
3

Rambo The Jambo,

4-0 at Hampden 04/12/2008 11:01:28
Arbroath state:

'"We are in touch with the SFA over this but one thing we could do is to ask to freeze their gate receipts and we could also look at applying a signing ban.'

Erm....no actually. The GFA have no authority to 'freeze' gate receipts.

If they are due the money they need to get a court order and thereafter enforce by way of diligence. The only persons or bodies authorised to 'freeze' money are sheriff officers and messengers at arms.

Get your facts right before printing scaremongering stories.
4

Damage69,

Edinburgh 04/12/2008 11:02:23
How long can this shambles of a club "The 3rd Biggest in Scotland" be allowed to be run like this. Can no-one see that they are an absolute joke. £51M stadium? Aye right! Pay your players the money they deserve and stop mucking good genuine journeymen players about.
5

GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

04/12/2008 11:06:04
Surely Hearts should claim compensation from Webster. It was his actions in walking out on the club that cost them, and us, a transfer fee. If he'd gone on a Bosman, would Arbroath have tried to get a % of his signing on fee?
6

GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

04/12/2008 11:06:29
#5 Sorry - surely Arbroath should claim compensation from Webster, not Hearts.
7

victorìan of gorgie,

04/12/2008 11:08:21
i said on monday that it smells of administration and i now fear the worst.

r.i.p.
8

hibbywul,

04/12/2008 11:13:08
Hopefully not, but I feel comment # 7 may be right.
9

flogelsleftpeg,

administration land 04/12/2008 11:14:59
#7 You have been smelling admin for two years.

This story is simply embarrassing. It either needs sorted or the club has to advise everyone we are in a perilous position.
10

Black Five,

edinburgh 04/12/2008 11:18:52
This must be loooked upon as a serious breach of trust and what is now looking like he`in trouble.I feared the last time and I fear the worse now.Won`t be a bad thing at end of day if it gets rid of Romanov.Hearts will never die but he will.
11

Bigwull,

edinburgh 04/12/2008 11:19:00
4 WE ARE THE THIRD BIGGEST CLUB IN SCOTLAND FACT! THE LEAGUE TABLE SAYS SO
12

mcjambo,

04/12/2008 11:20:38
dont o hy hehppi t w it cate good for hearts or ukios bankas. get the finger out romanov n get it sorted
13

Glorious Hearts,

04/12/2008 11:29:12
7 you "fear" the worst?
Why would a hibee pretending to be a jambo who loves nothing more than to lie, manipulate and mislead "fear" the worst when you've been desperate for it for more than 2 years now?

dream on Serg you liar
14

victorìan of gorgie,

04/12/2008 11:38:27
Administration [ad-min-uh-strey-shuhn]

Law. management of a decedent's estate by an executor or administrator, or of a trust estate by a trustee.
15

Addie,

04/12/2008 11:43:25
#14 Serg, behave yourself!

16

Grumpy,

04/12/2008 12:00:04
So are we supposed to feel sorry for the overpaid players? No. I'd rather feel sorry for all the employees of the Woolworths, HBOS, RBS, Klick etc who stand to be in the dole queue.
17

Edinburghs Finest,

04/12/2008 12:02:03
ha ha ha this just gets better and better..... Laughing Stock...!!!
18

Glorious Hearts,

04/12/2008 12:02:37
14 Serg

Fantasy [fan-tuh-see]
imagination, esp. when extravagant and unrestrained.

Pathetic [puh-thet-ik]
miserably or contemptibly inadequate

Liar [lahy-er]
a person who tells lies
19

Ooh Ah Ginger God,

edinburgh 04/12/2008 12:06:26
Setting everything apart here...its a blooming disgrace that we havent paid Arbroath...we kind of lose any respect anyone had/has..delete as appropriate..for us as a business.
20

Hibby Heapy,

04/12/2008 12:09:32
If this story is true, and I use the word IF, then this is a very disturbing turn of events.

Not quiet RIP as some of my fellow Hibbees mention, but a very precarious position to say the least.

Come on Hearts/Vlad/Ukio, get it sorted out.
21

capy,

embra 04/12/2008 12:11:02
What about some hard evidence and lets hear how's giving you the info#2

I would guess the daily ranger.
22

Dood,

04/12/2008 12:11:11
#6

Why should Arbroath claim from Webster? The sell on clause clearly states that Hearts should pay up. Why attempt to re-write the contract?

More pertinently, we're not talking about a huge sum of money here, not to Hearts anyway. It is to Arbroath though, it's huge to them. Why not just pay it? Embarassing really.
23

Gordon Smiths 364,

Edinburgh 04/12/2008 12:11:27
I think Vlad is doing it on purpose to wind these players up, they don't seem to have looked back after the last time, never to be repeated last time, a sort of twisted "treat them mean keep them keen" sort of thing.
24

Glorious Hearts,

04/12/2008 12:13:57
22 "sell-on clause" is the key phrase here. Hearts didn't sell Webster so how can any sell-on clause be active?
25

Edinburghs Finest,

04/12/2008 12:16:03
Pay day tomorrow as well... wonder which of the "lucky" players will get paid whats due to them tomorrow...

Roll up roll up play the wages lottery at Tynecastle... Rodders comes in with a spangly jacket and pulls names out of a hat... Larry Kingston...sorry no luck this week...
26

mixu62,

The rich end of Edinburgh 04/12/2008 12:16:11
Lets see fatty Foulkes put some spin on this one Good ridance to the festerring morons in maroon
27

Dood,

04/12/2008 12:16:59
#24

Oh right then, so Hearts actually don't owe Arbroath any money then? In that case, Arbroath should just stop their moaning. How petty of them.

Head sand etc etc etc......
28

Bemused and above it all,

04/12/2008 12:17:24
Webster exercised his rights in terms of the law in leaving Hearts when they tried to force him to sign a new contract or be binned to train with the kids for the remainder of the one he had.
So HOW EXACTLY IS WEBSTER TO BLAME FOR HEARTS NOT PAYING WHAT THEY OWE TO EITHER THEIR PLAYERS OR OTHER CLUBS?
29

Hibby Heapy,

04/12/2008 12:17:48
#22

Cash flow problems perhaps? If this is the case, then it a a huge sum of money, relativley speaking! If not, then I agree with you, why not pay them.

Now the predictable comment: Don't Arbroath play in Maroon? Perhaps you can all go and support them instead when the PBS has turned intoa Tesco's?

Sorry but I couldn't resist.

GGTTH
30

Hobo Harry,

04/12/2008 12:17:54
Throwing coins on to the pitch is rarely seen these days thankfully. At the Jambos next game however perhaps every fan could throw a couple of pound coins on at the end and make sure that the players get paid and can afford Christmas.....

Har har har
31

SAME RULES APPLY !!!,

04/12/2008 12:18:39
"£14,437 plus VAT"
That is a saving of £360 just by stalling until VAT was reduced.
Vlad is no mug!!
32

Bemused and above it all,

04/12/2008 12:19:51
24
So if there was no 'sell on' and Webster & Wigan, who acted within the laws of football & employment law, have to pay £150k to Hearts?
Transfer fees ARE compensation, as such the compensation amount is seen as a tranfer fee in football terms.
Divot
33

Hibby Heapy,

04/12/2008 12:20:12
#30

Ha. ha! Fantastic!
34

Jambo Number 1,

04/12/2008 12:21:10
Serg ya wee Ladyboy.

Change the record ya see wee obcessed moron.
35

markatview,

04/12/2008 12:21:40
Good idea , there would be f eck all else tae watch in embra if there was nae herts..
36

markatview,

04/12/2008 12:22:31
34 for 28
37

Glorious Hearts,

04/12/2008 12:25:28
26

In post 22 you said
"Why should Arbroath claim from Webster? The sell on clause clearly states that Hearts should pay up. Why attempt to re-write the contract?"

In 24 I answered.
""sell-on clause" is the key phrase here. Hearts didn't sell Webster so how can any sell-on clause be active?"

I never said anything about Arbroath moaning, didn't even give my opinion on it, I was simply answering your question directly.
Don't take the huff.
38

Silence of the Yams,

04/12/2008 12:27:40
HOMFC, 1872-2008, RIP!
39

Glorious Hearts,

04/12/2008 12:27:47
31 Wigan never owed a brass penny to Hearts, Webster did.

Webster was told to pay compensation for not fulfilling his contract. How can it therefore be counted as a transfer fee?

Anyway, as I said before, I'm simply answering a question, don't blame me if you don't like the answer
40

bertiblunt,

04/12/2008 12:31:22
If i was a "BIG TEAM" supporter i would be worried
41

Pavlov Dog,

04/12/2008 12:32:01
Mikey Stewart's got a big gob!
42

the west end general,

04/12/2008 12:33:34
29
as your fans have been doing this for years,I now understand why.
43

Chas Niceass,

04/12/2008 12:33:46
Something needs to be sorted out here. Why can we not enjoy a great run of form without something like this surfacing, pretty poor that Edinburghs papers seem hellbent on torturing 60% of its football readership.
44

the west end general,

04/12/2008 12:34:45
seriously though this will not help us in trying to resign Bruno.
45

Eighteen Seventy-Four,

04/12/2008 12:35:49
26. Dood, does your head sand comment etc refer to yourself ?

Arbroath were due a % of a transfer fee, no transfer fee was received by Hearts.

So are Hearts leaglly due Arbroath money ? You seem to be in the know.
46

Hobo Harry,

04/12/2008 12:36:13
42 Chas Niceass, More inclined to think that Vlad seems hellbent on torturing 100% of the Hearts fan base. It is not the papers who are to blame.
47

The Hon. Liam Fairtod,

04/12/2008 12:37:55
The Arbroath thing. As some folk have said, I suspect legally we're not due to pay anything to them (although having not read the contract/laws etc. etc....). So I'm not entirely sure what success they'll have if the take it to the GFA/courts.

BUT. We said we'd pay them. And we haven't. That's very, very poor. Vlad must know how all this looks. I don't know why he keeps fannying around.
48

Rambo The Jambo,

4-0 at Hampden 04/12/2008 12:43:48
Strange, is it not, that Livingston FC have recently sacked their manager by EMAIL, are hundreds of thousands in debt, owe money all over the place, unpaid electricity bills etc, are owned by an Italian, yet not a peep from the EEN or Hootsmon.

Maybe Livvy just about going down the plug-hole isn't newsworthy enough for this mob.
49

Braes of Glenmiller,

04/12/2008 12:45:52
I've always been positive in the past but this begins to look a bit more serious. I hope we're not about to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory yet again.
50

Hibernianinc,

04/12/2008 12:48:43

herts received money from Wigan for Webster, as a direct consequence of his leaving herts to go and play for them.

The how's and why's of this is irrelevant, Arbroath are due their share of all monies received by herts for Webster's move.

I'm sure they're as bitter as herts are that it wasn't a straight forward £2m sale, as they'd be seeing the kind of windfall that they can only dream about.

For herts not to pay up is a disgrace. For some herts fans on this forum to try and explain why this is ok, on a technicality that isn't…..really. Have a long look at yourselves.
51

Maroon tinted glasses,

04/12/2008 12:49:11
27, Webster tried to exercise his rights BUT in trying to do so was in breach of his contract, he didnt give the required notice period and therefore this was why he was pursued for compensation. I do however agree that IF hearts did say they would pay the cash the they should. if it did go to court though it would be thrown out due to the fact webster breached HIS contract and was therefore ordered to pay.......... wait for it cause here it the magic word........... COMPENSATION!
52

Matty boy,

04/12/2008 12:49:13
#37

Hearts were formed in 1874 you t#at
53

Glorious Hearts,

04/12/2008 12:54:04
49 "herts received money from Wigan for Webster, as a direct consequence of his leaving herts to go and play for them"

so many things wrong here.

Webster was ordered to pay up, not Wigan.

The legal decision was that Webster joined Wigan as a free agent and therefore no transfer fee was due. Webster, however, was told to pay compensation as a consequence of not fulfilling his contract.

When Webster joined Wigan, he was legally a free agent according to the ruling.

How can Hearts then have received a transfer fee?
54

Gordon Combe,

04/12/2008 12:55:33
Cant believe the comments from what appear to be a majority of Hearts fans on this thread.

Blame the News, blame Arbroath, blame the Hibs support.

For gods sake wake up and smell the coffee. YOUR CLUB IS GOING UNDER AND YOU LOT DO SOD ALL TO STOP IT!

GET THE PLACARDS MADE, THE DEMOS GOING, BEFORE ITS TO LATE.

I know loads of Hibbys like me who dont want Hearts to go under and would join your demos......but you sit and do nothing. Unbelievable!!!!!!!!!

WAKE UP! DO SOMETHING NOW!!!

Is any one of you listening!!!!
55

Hobo Harry,

04/12/2008 12:56:13
51 Matty boy, Hemmed in to a corner and lashing out are we? All you can do is dish out abuse because he typed a 2 instead of a 4? The term keyboard hardman comes to mind.
56

Victoria Ian,

Leith 04/12/2008 12:56:16
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
57

Maroon tinted glasses,

04/12/2008 12:56:52
49 OH right, so if you got a parking fine and found out that you could get away without paying it due a "technicality" would you still pay it? of course not you would dance about with glee at getting away with it.

or even better, IF rearend decided again that he wanted to leave hoobs and managed to find a clause in his contract that let him do so but didnt stick to the letter of the law regarding the contract and hoobs got compensation would you be happy to pay cellic a % of the money as is stated in his contract about any future transfer fees. NO because its not a transfer fee. How difficult is tha for you to understand??
58

Heartfelt,

EDINBURGH 04/12/2008 12:59:48
#49 - WEBSTER was told to pay Hearts not Wigan He was originally due to pay £625000 for technical breach of contract which was reduced on appeal. WIGAN were NOT taken to a tribunal, therefore its not a transfer fee.

But why let facts ruin your hilarity?
59

Lenny,

04/12/2008 13:01:50
I wonder how long Hearts fans will continue to defend the indefensible. It really is incredible, a few wins (well 5, and no complaints, its a great run I agree) and everything is great again.

No problem that STILL players are unpaid. Its a non-story etc etc etc.

Well all of you will be partly to blame for standing by and doing nothing IF the worse comes to the worse at your club.
60

Hobo Harry,

04/12/2008 13:02:38
56 Maroon tinted glasses, The trouble with your theory is that a public institiution like Hearts relies on a degree of goodwill. In January, if you do buy any players, how many clubs will be willing to defer payments whist dealing with Vlad? It will be cash up front please. There are times it is better just to do the right thing.
61

Jambo.co.uk,

04/12/2008 13:02:43
#55

hahahahahahaha
62

The Hon. Liam Fairtod,

04/12/2008 13:04:19
#53 What should we demonstrate against?
WHAT DO WE WANT?
PLAYERS WAGES PAID ON TIME!
WHEN DO WE WANT IT?
ON TIME!

WHAT ELSE DO WE WANT?
ARBROATH TO BE PAID
WHEN DO WE WANT IT?
AS SOON AS PRACTICABLE!

WHAT ELSE DO WE WANT?
UMM. A MANAGER? NO. GOT ONE OF THOSE.
ERR. A SNEAK PEAK AT THE ACCOUNTS?

DO you actually think we should protest because players wages are delayed? I'm sure my work won't mind giving me the afternoon off to head down to Tynie to start the protest for that.
Then you can head round to my office and protest about me not getting paid.
63

Who?,

04/12/2008 13:06:22
#38 -very true and well explained.

Webster had to pay hearts as he broke his contract illegally. As CAS stated webster should have provided his notice a week earlier than he did. It also found that his claims of victimisation were fabricated which left him rather red faced. In many ways Webster was forced to pay criminal compensation to hearts.

So why should arbroath get a percentage of the criminal compensaton?
64

victorìan of gorgie,

04/12/2008 13:06:41
i understand that there's rumours circulating the club that the wages won't be met again tomorrow.

players are talking about striking.
65

The Hon. Liam Fairtod,

04/12/2008 13:06:53
#56, 57 - just give it a rest eh?
Maybe Hearts are legally due money to Arbroath. Maybe they're not. I'm not a lawyer, neither are you, and none of us have seen the wording of the sell on clause.
But Vlad said he'd pay the money, and he still hasn't. It makes us look stupid. And trying to defend it makes you look even stupider.
66

Gordon Combe,

04/12/2008 13:06:59
#56

Agreed as per my first thread at 53.

They do nothing, its incredible and your right, they will also be responsible for standing by and letting it happen.

We seem more concerned than their ostrich antics.
67

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04/12/2008 13:07:11
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The Hon. Liam Fairtod,

04/12/2008 13:07:42
#62 Nah. That's not going to happen. We haven't got any strikers.
69

It's me!,

04/12/2008 13:08:20
As I understand it compensation to Hearts was to be paid by Webster, not Wigan or Rangers. Has Webster paid Hearts?
70

Glorîous Hearts,

04/12/2008 13:10:13
This is a shambles.

What is Vlad playing at? There's obviously severe cash-flow concerns within UBIGS and UKIOS and the players are the ones who are suffering.

I'm glad I didn't renew my season ticket.
71

Mr Jaffa,

Edinburgh 04/12/2008 13:10:37
Brilliant! Having just posted a positive comment on another Banderson article, i click on another article and he reverts to type.

Is it
1)an article about players wages?... or
2) an article about Arbroath?... or
3) an article saying Hearts are in financial difficulties??

If 1 - what is your source, who are the players, what has the club told them etc. etc. etc. Not a lot of clear facts in the article. Leaves too many questions unanswered. Certainly not a good example of factual reporting.

If 2 - Again lots of questions still unanswered. Read the comments Mr Anderson. Are Hearts legally bound to pay Arbroath? Was it compensation for breach of contract or was it deemed to be a transfer fee. If you could do some research then the public would be a lot clearer (after all informing the public is your job!)

If 3 - then god help us for the standard of journalism. Where is the investigative work? where is your conclusion? Where is the journalism?

On an aside... I agree that if we have promised Arbroath money then we should just pay them. Maybe Mr Anderson could ask Hearts the question - Do you believe you are due to pay Arbroath this amount? Do you intend to pay them? You know.....questions any self respecting journalist would ask.

72

Dood,

04/12/2008 13:10:52
#44

Head sand, me? And as for the other poster insinuating that I've gone in the huff??? Laughable.

Lets deal in hard facts here. The court of Arbitration for Sport have decreed that Hearts owe Arbroath this sum of money. Fact. At the time of the ruling, Hearts accepted this. Fact. A deal was done between all parties to reduce the fee from (circa) £26k to the current figure. Fact.

Are we now suggesting that this Court was wrong or that their judgement has no sound legal basis? In which case, why have Hearts not appealed the ruling?

I'm not stirring things up here, in my earlier posts I stated that Arbroath are a wee club desperate for a sum of money which is life/death to them. If such a sum is small fry to Hearts, then why don't they pay it?

And before the accusations start, I'm not a 'Hobonomist' or whatever it is you like to call us. I'm on record on these pages in the past as stating that I have no desire to see Hearts go down the tubes, nor do I see that happening.
73

Dick C. Normuss,

04/12/2008 13:11:47
#65 So its all a big game to fool the Hibbies... nice one.
74

Hibernianinc,

04/12/2008 13:11:55
#52, #56 & #57

Then why did herts agree to make the payment? BBC Sports page confirms.

I refer again to the fact that herts got monies from Websters move. And again to the fact that the why's and where's are irrelevant.

The only way that herts are not due Arbroath cash is if they got £0 in respect of Webster going to play for another club.

Rant all you like. You're all wrong.
75

Gordon Combe,

04/12/2008 13:12:04
#60 Against the owner, the way the club is being run and the fact you would like Hearts to be here in another 100 years. Your the fans, its your club and you should be fighting for it, just as we did for ours. Fighting back does work, especially with the fan base Hearts have. We did it, we got change and we survived!

Your club mate,do nothing! but when the inevitable happens I'll try not to say, I told you so!
76

Dood,

04/12/2008 13:12:23
PS - possible solution.....

Don't pay Kingston this week and use the cash to pay Arbroath. Problem solved. It's not as if anyone would bat an eyelid should a player not be paid at Tynie any more.......
77

Jambo.co.uk,

04/12/2008 13:14:31
Good comedy thread by the Hobo's here today.

Anything to keep your mind of your own shambles of a club i suppose.
78

Hardon collider,

04/12/2008 13:16:03
I've always found Hertz fans to be a thoroughly detestable bunch, zieg heiling all over the shop and waving their Butchers' aprons around..Perhaps there is a God after all..

Spartak Gorgie RIP
79

Glorious Hearts,

04/12/2008 13:16:39
68 "This is a shambles.

What is Vlad playing at? There's obviously severe cash-flow concerns within UBIGS and UKIOS and the players are the ones who are suffering.

I'm glad I didn't renew my season ticket."

Of course, this was Serg not me. Look for the funnt dot above the "I" in "Glorious Hearts"

Serg you pathetic liar, I don't even live in Scotland. Why would I renew a ST?

Pathetic [puh-thet-ik]
miserably or contemptibly inadequate

Liar [lahy-er]
a person who tells lies

80

The Hon. Liam Fairtod,

04/12/2008 13:18:46
#73 Does he not need to have done something wrong first? Or do we just form a pre-emptive protest?
He's making us all look stupid, yes, but the only thing we could actually do is to try and hound him out of the club. And without someone to buy him out, what'd be the point in that?
81

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04/12/2008 13:19:13
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82

The Hon. Liam Fairtod,

04/12/2008 13:20:11
#75 You've not met many Hearts fans have you?
In fact, have you met any real people?
83

heartyharry,

Gorgie 04/12/2008 13:21:53
How on earth is this the "Top Story". Barry Anderson i think you should head to a magazine/paper more to your standardsas a journilist like the Beano or Dandy!
84

Gordon Combe,

04/12/2008 13:21:54
#77

Ok mate, like I say, your club, your responsibility to act, or not, as you see fit.
85

Glorious Hearts,

04/12/2008 13:25:03
72 "The only way that herts are not due Arbroath cash is if they got £0 in respect of Webster going to play for another club."

Hearts DID receive nothing in respect of Webster going to play for another club, he joined Wigan as a free agent.

The compensation was for breaking his contract with Hearts.

So you think Hearts shouldn't be due Arbroath any money?
86

markatview,

04/12/2008 13:27:24
The facts are this one story is based on rumour hearsay and unnamed sources , the other is cut and pasted from a weegie rag with an agenda against EDINBURGH.. At this time it is 2 non storys best to wait until you are in possesion of all the facts , evening news should stick to the footballing side of the news in edinburgh what with 2 important games this week for the capital clubs instead of trying to whip up hysteria in the name of selling newspapers..
87

Hardon collider,

04/12/2008 13:27:55
The Hon. Liam Fairtod: You caught me, fair play, I am in fact making it all up and have never met any real people..

I can categorically state I have never been to Tynecastle and watched the home fans zieg heil to their little Hearts (pardon the pun) content, before leaving the ground to run a gauntlet of violence and flying spittle.

I made it all up..
88

Glorious Hearts,

04/12/2008 13:29:53
70 Dood
"Lets deal in hard facts here. The court of Arbitration for Sport have decreed that Hearts owe Arbroath this sum of money. Fact"

You have a source for this?
As far as I was aware, the CAS simply decided that Webster was due Hearts money and that Webster was a free agent when he joined Wigan.

As you say, let's deal in facts here.
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Dood,

04/12/2008 13:30:13
#82

I personally don't give a jot what the situation was.

FACT is that the Court of Arbitration for Sport decreed that Hearts owe Arbroath the dosh. FACT is that all patries agreed to the ruling.

Not quite sure why you can't accept that. Your opinion on the situation (ie whether Hearts received money which would relate to a sell on clause), is largely irrelevant now.

Bored with this now.
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Ghengis McCann,

Edinburgh 04/12/2008 13:30:58
No financial trouble at the PBS. Oh no. We're the third biggest club in the SPL - if not the entire universe. Always have been, always will be.

Debt is good. No tax bills. Vlad owns a bank. It's like owing money to ourselves. And I think you will find that our £30m+ debt is now actually only 47p. Hearts don't owe Arbroath a penny - Webster does. It is common commercial practice to pay your employees late. Happens all the time.

This stuff is all just made up by Banderson and the EEN. Oh, and the BBC. And Sky. It's all Chick Young's fault. And the Wee Team peg sellers from Leith - Hobonomics at its best.

Crisis? What crisis?





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Johnny Jambo,

04/12/2008 13:31:31
If some have been paid and some not, I would suggest that it is a banking issue and not a Hearts issue.
And re Webster and Arbroath, if Hearts have been paid by Webster then they should pay Arbroath what they are due but I would guess that the Webster money has not yet been paid and that is why Hearts are waiting.

Whether we should pay Arbroath or not is another argument as Webster was not transferred, or sold on as the saying goes, but Hearts agreed to pay so they should and I am sure they will.
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Gordon Combe,

04/12/2008 13:32:11
#83

You may or may not recall (I certainly do), that the first reports of Hibs demise when the fat controler that was wallet merger tried to put us down, also came from unnamed sources originally.

It then exploded into fact!
93

Dood,

04/12/2008 13:32:31
#85

Do I have a source for this?

Ehhhmmmm, yes. It was widely reported. Google it, there's loads. Frankly I've lost interest though. As I said, you're entitled to your opinion. Fact is that your club agreed to pay up. Why haven't they?

Really bored now.
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The Hon. Liam Fairtod,

04/12/2008 13:35:22
#85 - see 63
95

Glorious Hearts,

04/12/2008 13:36:22
86 Dood
"FACT is that the Court of Arbitration for Sport decreed that Hearts owe Arbroath the dosh"

I'll accept this as a fact when you provide a source.
Which you can't.

For the record it's NOT a fact, you just say it is
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Dood,

04/12/2008 13:36:43
#87 Genghis

Any idea when Ukio opens up on Castle Street?

I'm first in the queue. The last mortage deal might not be ideal for me now and I'm in the market for a new one. I like the idea of owing loads of money but not really owing it. I also like the idea that I can default on my monthly repayments and just shrug it off. Banking Hearts style is GREAT!!!!!
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Dood,

04/12/2008 13:37:55
#91

Exactly. Well done mate.

#92

Heads, sand, etc etc etc.
98

Maroon tinted glasses,

04/12/2008 13:38:10
Mr Fairtod,

As stated previously (on every occasion this has come up) i did say that if hearts did agree to pay then they should do so, all i was doing for all those non jambo's out there who are intent on a noise up is state that if it did go to court any good lawyer would tear it to shreds!

The main point is the headline story.

VLAD GET YOUR FINGER OUT AND SORT THIS MESS OUT, otherwise the only clubs who will be willing to deal with hearts in the future are the ones you own!!
99

Glorious Hearts,

04/12/2008 13:39:38
90 Dood
"Do I have a source for this?

Ehhhmmmm, yes. It was widely reported. Google it, there's loads."

Oh I have googled it and NOwhere is there any mention of the CAS deciding Hearts owe Arbroath money. You know why?
Arbroath weren't involved in the CAS case. The ruling was simply about Webster and Hearts.

Go google it yourself, it'll stop you being bored and show you that your take on the situation is just wrong.

The CAS never ruled Hearts were due Arbroath anything
100

A Jambo come rain or shine,

04/12/2008 13:39:56
#84 You are a hard-on. You going to generalise about an entire clubs support based on a couple of hundred people (and that's a generous estimation) behaving like idiots? That's like me saying every OF fan is a biggot. Stop trying to provoke people who are on here having a decent debate. If you want an argument, go and cheat on your boyfriend.
FWIW, i'm embarrased by the whole situation at Hearts if it's true. I can see the arguments for not paying Arbroath if it wasn't a "transfer fee" but if we've said we'd pay them then just do it. £16000 is not a lot to a football club. Re the players - total embarrasment. Get it sorted.
Re a protest - i do think it's hard to protest against something that you say may happen in the future - i.e. the club not being here - it's conjecture. Hibs had something actual to protest about. Look at what happened to the Man U and Liverpool protests - nothing. But i see where you're coming from.
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Ghengis McCann,

Edinburgh 04/12/2008 13:41:54
#88 - "If some have been paid and some not, I would suggest that it is a banking issue and not a Hearts issue"

If some have been paid and some not, I would suggest that it is a "Hertz have not got enough cash to pay all their bills" issue and not a banking issue.
102

Eighteen Seventy-Four,

04/12/2008 13:42:09
Dood

"Lets deal in hard facts here. The court of Arbitration for Sport have decreed that Hearts owe Arbroath this sum of money. Fact"

Did you just make that up?
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markatview,

04/12/2008 13:44:18
# 89 So when it comes to crunch time and the hearts fans really do have to make a stand to save their club its going to be gordon combe leading from the front because of his experience with the hibs in times gone by , no don't think so, do us a favour and leave the cavalry charge for better placed jambos to decide when it is needed it is our club you know..
104

Dood,

04/12/2008 13:44:23
#96

I haven't googled it, can't really be bothered. Even the majority of your own punters have agreed that, while its not great, you owe Arbroath.

Hey ho though, if it makes you feel any better I'll concede that Hearts don't actually owe Arbroath anything, that Arbroath should just stop whining about this - it never happened.

There you go, you win. Well done.
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106

Dood,

04/12/2008 13:45:32
#99

Please see #101

Yes, I made it all up. It's all just nonsense. You owe Arbroath nothing. It's all a conspiracy.
107

DT is a JT,

04/12/2008 13:47:32
#37
We are the HM the HMFC ya dic k and any Hearts fan that says different is not a fan including the tw-at who changed it, well spotted #51
108

Glorious Hearts,

04/12/2008 13:48:37
101 you miss the point

You're the one sitting there spouting about "FACT" when it's simply not a fact.

I haven't given my personal opinion on the situation once, that's not what this is about.
You said the CAS told Hearts to pay Arbroath and claimed it as FACT.
It's not fact and that's what I want to make clear on here so that no-one can be misled.
I was pulled up the other night for posting something that wasn't factually correct (although I believed it to be true at the time).
I was wrong and admitted it.

Your turn
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Gordon Combe,

04/12/2008 13:49:38
#100 see #80
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Scat Man,

04/12/2008 13:50:20
They dinae deserve any pay onyroads cos they're no hertz class the lot o thum man what a load ae premaradonnas an that ken honestly man what a joke vlad should pump them aw oot in januar