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Gas-guzzler motorists facing huge hike in parking charge



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Published Date: 22 July 2008
MOTORISTS with the most polluting cars face higher charges under a radical shake up of Edinburgh's residents parking permit scheme.
Owners of the biggest gas-guzzlers would see the cost of an inner zone permit double from the current £160 a year to £320.

But drivers of the least polluting vehicles in the outer zones could see their charge fall from the current £80 to just £15.

And residents would also face higher charges for second vehicles.

The proposals, due to be discussed by councillors next week, are intended to encourage people to switch to greener cars.

Robert Aldridge, environment leader in the Capital's Liberal Democrat-SNP administration, said it was reasonable that motorists with 4x4s and other large polluting cars should pay more.

He said several key locations in the city were showing cause for concern in terms of CO2 levels.

He added: "There is a national acceptance that more needs to be done to influence the vehicle choices that people make. If this is to happen, then local authorities need to play their part and take action to bring about local change."

The council insisted the proposals – which will cost £50,000 to implement and are unlikely to be introduced for at least two years – were not a money-making exercise and claimed only 20 per cent would pay more while two-thirds of people would see their charges go down.

But there were warnings from opposition politicians and motoring organisations that the proposed changes did not address the main cause of pollution and could prove unfair to families and disabled people.

Andrew Burns, leader of the council's Labour opposition, said there should be extensive public consultation before any such scheme was introduced.

He said: "The principle is potentially worth looking at, but unfortunately there has been no consultation with anyone outside the current administration."

Sheila Ranger of the RAC Foundation warned such charges could be unfair on people with large families and disabled people.

She said: "Not everyone who drives a large car has a big salary. Some people have big cars because they have three children and they need room for child seats.

"A scheme which insists everyone with a larger, less efficient car should pay more penalises larger families."

Ms Ranger also questioned the logic of using higher parking charges as a way to cut carbon emissions.

"A car that's parked isn't causing any pollution so using these charges to try to cut emissions doesn't make a lot of sense."

She said if the council had given a few years' notice of the change, drivers could have taken it into account when buying their next car. "As it is, people are going to be penalised for the cars they already own," she added.

Mark McInnes, Tory transport spokesman on the council, said motorists were always suspicious about new charges.

"It has to be about providing incentives for the future, not penalising people for decisions already made."

And Bruce Young, Lothian and Borders co-ordinator of the Association of British Drivers, dismissed the proposals as a "political exercise" intended to make life difficult for motorists.

He said: "I think drivers will prefer to have a new council than a new car."


The full article contains 544 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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1

Dragonlord,

22/07/2008 12:16:00
Can Robert Aldridge please explain how traffic flowed better and there was less polution, during the bus driver's strike? The council produced figures that showed when the bus lanes were off, the town was less congested. They refuse to publish polution figures because they know it's the vast ammount of buses that cause the polution. Blame the car driver is the common cry, but if they are serious about cleaning the air, then look to where the real polution comes from.LRT recently bought 35 new buses, but did they think to change to propultion system? No they went with diesel again.
2

Gorgie_Tony,

Edinburgh 22/07/2008 12:16:47
It is great this new council is considering this. Anything that makes the selfish car driver cough up more cash is good. Remember folks - you voted for this new council - you made your bed - now lie in it!!
3

B S,

22/07/2008 12:16:47
I've got a Honda Accord 2l - is that a gaz guzzler?
4

I love to eat Sellotape,

22/07/2008 12:18:34
How about buses that run on the arrogance of SUV drivers?
5

Randan,

22/07/2008 12:19:00
GIRUY! Ha ha ha!
6

BBH,

Edinburgh 22/07/2008 12:20:01
How much pollution does a parked car create? What a nonsensical scheme. This is clearly just another attempt to extort money from private vehicle drivers.
7

Gorgie_Tony,

Edinburgh 22/07/2008 12:20:08
No.1 - we all know it is cars that cause the congestion. It's now school holidays - less cars are on the road doing the school run - and my bus runs to time. Take a bus ride early on a Sunday morning - and it runs to timetable, because there are less cars on the road. This new council should do us all a favour and force congestion charging on car drivers - and lets make it really expensive.
8

FC Barcelona,

22/07/2008 12:24:29
STOP PICKING ON THE DRIVERS WHO HAVE HUGE VEHICLES, most are already low on self esteem/confidence and the males with the long fronted sport cars have p enis envy, poor people !!
9

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22/07/2008 12:27:40
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10

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 22/07/2008 12:29:08
This is absolutely unacceptable. If you have a car, you should pay exactly the same as anyone else. There should be no penalties whatsoever for the engine size, weight, driveline configuration or whatever.

This is just a stupid labour idea that has got out of hand. All this anti-car nonsense MUST stop NOW.
11

Prin the Dissolving Donkey,

22/07/2008 12:29:49
Ban people from owning cars. Entirely. And make all trains and buses free (to anyone whose iPod is not at too annoying a level).
12

Mallory,

Edinburgh 22/07/2008 12:29:54
Don't think this will affect too many owners of SUVs - you need to be pretty well healed to buy and fuel them anyway. Just another cooncil tax stunt.
13

ST170,

22/07/2008 12:30:51
Great idea, so we all switch to small engined cars as they are currently doing in london, trading in their 911's for a Polo Bluemotion. So after that happens what then? do you really think the council are going to keep the new green parking permit at £15? I think not. And all you hippies of edinburh if the parking doesnt increase just watch how the council tax moves!
14

Sarcasm,

22/07/2008 12:33:30
#2,7 Gorgie Jenny.

You'll be in your element today, good luck fishing.

Where's Jenny .........
15

Prin the Dissolving Donkey,

22/07/2008 12:33:48
Mario, are you on the wind-up, too? Or are you the real deal?
16

John south of Soutra,

22/07/2008 12:36:04
I think that we should all get back to wearing sackcloth and living in mud huts, this is the only way forward if we are to save the planet, it's disgraceful that these selfish people want to be able to travel in comfort and park their vehicles at their front door
17

Dragonlord,

22/07/2008 12:36:37
14# The parking charge zones will move further and further out of town. The £15 zone will be in Dalkeith.
18

I love to eat Sellotape,

22/07/2008 12:37:19
Well, I've never worn sack-cloth, nor have I lived in a mud hut. So I can't "get back" to that.

By the way, I am made entirely of manganese.
19

hibbyspurs,

22/07/2008 12:38:34
#9

Genius post....

Couldnt agree more old chap ;-)
20

Petroll head,

22/07/2008 12:40:05
13
I did try to warn you all.
21

Gastric Antral Vascular Ectasia,

22/07/2008 12:42:27
"Some people have big cars because they have three children and they need room for child seats."

Yes, that's the problem. All these beleaguered parents driving around with three children in car seats. You see them in their hundreds, don't you?
22

Alan B,

22/07/2008 12:42:58
A daft idea.

Government do nothing for 10yrs and then want to hammer people because they can raise revenue.

The government should bring in a minimum mpg for cars and move it up over time. Having a minimum 40/50mpg would be a good start. And then every 3/4yrs this level can be increased as techology improves.

Tax is not the way forward.
23

Irn-Bruce,

Edinburgh 22/07/2008 12:43:03
"...to encourage people to switch to greener cars..."

This mantra is now coming from all levels of government - what rubbish!! They're just trying (in vain) to grease the (slowing) wheels of capitalism, by getting us to keep consuming.

If you need/want to own a car, which is fine by me (car use isn't the problem, car OVERuse is), the greenest thing you can do is to keep an older car running (provided it's well maintained) for as long as possible.

By not buying an (unnecessary) new car, far more energy and materials will be saved by not having to build the new car in the first place, than you'll ever save during the life of the brand new "green" car.

I'm currently using a 23-year old Landrover which I've had for a decade, if I look after it, should last at least that long again.
24

Dragonlord,

22/07/2008 12:43:48
7# Did you bother to read what I posted, or are you too stupid? For your benefit I will type it again. Council figures showed traffic flowed more easily during the bus driver's strike. Now had LRT bought buses run on LPG or a Hybrid, the city's air would be of much better quality. You may live in town and use public transport, but I bet you still have the heating on full, lights blazing and your huge TV running night and day.Lets do as someone above has suggested, and go back to living in caves.
25

Voice of reason,

EDINBURGH 22/07/2008 12:43:53
I had to laugh at Andrew Burns talking about the need for consultation .
26

Sarcasm,

22/07/2008 12:43:54
19
So you're atomic number 25.

Big loo brush required.
27

the dog,

edin 22/07/2008 12:57:41
No1 please get your facts right lrt did infact buy diesel buses however all are fitted with the ad blu system which significantly cleans up emissions,
i really wish you morons would get the facts right instead of blowing hot air.
28

Iain Bhern,

22/07/2008 12:58:55
#25 The latest buses that Lothian have bought are fitted with Euro 4 engines, currently the least polluting diesel engine available. Hybrid buses are still very much in the early stages of development and there simply aren't enough LPG engined chassis available to make them cost effective. Remember that changing over to another type of fuel will also involve costs to install new tanks and delivery systems for the new fuel. Whilst I do agree with your point, at this moment in time it's simply not viable. Lothian can only buy what is available so until the bus manufacturers start producing the alternative for the UK market in numbers they haven't much choice. In short it's Volvo, MAN, Mercedes Benz etc you should be directing your point at, not Lothian Buses
29

The Barred O' Leith,

In the corners of your mind 22/07/2008 12:59:20
The congestion charge
Has been rejected
Now we reap
What was expected

All they want
Is your hard earned wealth
And they'll get it
By tax or stealth.

So we might as well
Accept the trams
The parking charges
And the Jams

It'll get worse
Before it's better
So there's no point
Sending that letter

We might as well
Accept the mess
The road rage, the hold ups
And duress.

The city's title
Of worst for driving
Is just added on
To the cost of living.

I think i'll move
To foreign climes
Like thousands of Scots,
A sign of the times.






30

Jed Smith,

Moscow 22/07/2008 12:59:56
I think it must be the lentil soup eating, sandal wearing radge hippy element of the pro-tram Libdems that invented this ludicrous idea.

What would you rather see on the street? The occasional 4x4, a car favoured by few, and even then only to ferry Oliver and Jocasta to and from school, or, OR a tram, which uses far more gasoline than a 4x4.

If this goes ahead it will be another nail in democracy's coffin.

31

ianH,

Balerno 22/07/2008 13:02:25
Spooky that none of this was mentioned before the elections, maybe they can blame it on labour but if my councilor supports this he'll not be getting my support at the next election. I'll ask him next time I see him or maybe a email would be better, harder to hide from
32

Jed Smith,

Moscow 22/07/2008 13:02:31
#32

Your poetry's diabolical
Like that of William McGonigal
33

Plodjfriss, Hammer of the Numpties,

Edinburgh 22/07/2008 13:04:40
So, #33, just how much gasoline does a tram use?
34

Iain Bhern,

22/07/2008 13:06:11
#33, could you please explain to me what an electric tram uses gasoline for? Not that I'm for the trams, they're a shocking waste of money but I'm intrigued as to why they need gasoline.
35

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22/07/2008 13:06:14
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I love to eat Sellotape,

22/07/2008 13:06:27
30

We are not all grown-ups on here.

Poo-poos.

Pee-pees.

Phhhhhht!

Ptlptlptlptlptlptlptl!

Oh, and Trotskyite scum.
37

antifa,

22/07/2008 13:06:34
"we are all grown ups here, we understand the issues. Dont we ?"

Evidently not:

"What would you rather see on the street? The occasional 4x4, a car favoured by few, and even then only to ferry Oliver and Jocasta to and from school, or, OR a tram, which uses far more gasoline than a 4x4."

I mean, jesus. Is that more gasoline per person? I think not.

38

Arrow,

edinburgh 22/07/2008 13:07:03
i could get the bus but i would have to ride alongside the shell suit clad single mothers and their weans that all appear to have tumbled from the ugly tree and hit each branch on the way down. i will go along with the labour councilor who did not travel by bus because he wanted his suit to be as clean as when he got on a bus. know your constituents says he and also the council paid for his taxi. having seen some of the scruff on the bus who can blame him. can we not have some buses only for poor people and i am sure the car drivers would flock to use the buses. until that happens i will continue to drive my 4X4, toot at cyclists, the unemployable and other poor people and throw a copper coin to the police as they create a pedestrian free path for me to use. God! life is good :-}
39

Jed Smith,

Moscow 22/07/2008 13:08:01
I PAY MY TAXES AND IF I SO WISH, I'LL DRIVE A TANK
IF THE COUNCIL DON'T LIKE IT, THEY CAN TAKE A W***
GET ON A A TRAM? I REALLY DOUBT IT
TRAMS ARE SH1TE, STAND ON THE ROOF AND SHOUT IT!

#32 beat that for a well scanned stanza
40

The Barred O' Leith,

22/07/2008 13:08:17
*35. Thank you. You're words are very encouraging.
I'll never be in McGonagal's class, but i'll keep trying.
41

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

22/07/2008 13:10:42
Green Tip: Don't throw away old batteries. Throw them at passing 4x4's.
42

Farmernot,

22/07/2008 13:12:03
#18 Dragonlord.

£15 to park in Dalkeith.......and in the morning your car is up on bricks.........the world according to Dawes and Co has gone mad.
43

Jed Smith,

MOSCOW 22/07/2008 13:12:18
#41

Depends how many's on the tram - I won't be, that's for sure.

If you really were a grown up, you'd also point out that trams (and a lot of 4x4's) don't even run on gasoline.

So do us a favour and cycle off to your yoga class.
44

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

22/07/2008 13:12:27
Gorgie Tony: "It's now school holidays - less cars are on the road doing the school run"

*Fewer* cars young lad. back to school for you...
45

Gorgie_Tony,

Edinburgh 22/07/2008 13:12:48
#31 - the 50 new Volvo double deck buses just recently delivered to Lothian Buses are the first buses in Scotland built with Euro 5 engines.
46

The Barred O' Leith,

22/07/2008 13:13:58
.43

Yer poem's mince
And so's yer grammar
It looks like you wrote it
With a hammer
Take my advice
and learn to write
Poem's correctly
Because your's are no very good.
47

alex patersons English teacher,

22/07/2008 13:14:47
44 "you're words."

no but you could be in alexs class
48

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

22/07/2008 13:16:02
"Some people have big cars because they have three children and they need room for child seats."

Kids breathe out CO2. Tax them into perdition for having too many.
49

Jed Smith,

Moscow 22/07/2008 13:16:02
#38

to generate electricity
50

I love to eat Sellotape,

22/07/2008 13:17:20
Poems don't have to rhyme, you know.


Sophie breached the cusp of utter futility
Deranged, yet twisting gracefully
her limp grey soul drenched in the night
Buttermilk flowed
Lions yawned to reveal their incisors
All was blood, all was light
Nothingness, humped in a bottle of Mister Sheen
51

ianH,

Balerno 22/07/2008 13:17:44
So mario, you'r content to accept higher taxes, or perhaps let others do it for you, so instead of whinging, do something, it is supposed to be a democracy, if this proposal gets supported by the majority so be it, other wise crawl back into your hole
52

The Judge,

22/07/2008 13:19:54
Repeat after me.

Never going to happen.
Never going to happen.
Never going to happen.

Remember this is the LieDems we're talking about, they couldn't implement a policy if their lives depended on it.
53

Jed Smith,

Moscow 22/07/2008 13:20:21
#51

You should be a Starbucks Barista selling coffee/
Since you'll never be a poet til you've learnt how to use an apostrophe/
Your vocabulary's limited, your rhyme scheme trite/
Summed up in one word, your poetry's a load of gick
54

Jed Smith,

Moscow 22/07/2008 13:21:59
Lighten up Mario - you can run cars on petrel, but seagulls is better
55

Iain Bhern,

22/07/2008 13:23:09
#49 in that case they are even less polluting than the Euro 4s.
56

Jed Smith,

Moscow 22/07/2008 13:24:05
#55 that's class

Who was she humped by in the aerosol can though? The Cillit Bang man?
57

Louis Catorze,

22/07/2008 13:24:44
I bought a nice XJ6 3.2l on Saturday....can't wait to boot it to Frannce for me hols....I've also got a long nose sports car #8 but have a large manhood too...how does that figure?

Ho hum...
58

Iain Bhern,

22/07/2008 13:24:45
#54 so what are these horrid looking overhead wires going to be for? The birds to roost on maybe!
59

NYC Hibee,

edinburgh 22/07/2008 13:24:58
why should this only apply to people who live in the central parking zones?
My car hardly get used during the week but sits in it's paid for parking space.

It's cars commuting into the city everyday that cause pollution not the ones that stay there!

Another money making scheme - get these idiots out!
60

I love to eat Sellotape,

22/07/2008 13:26:36
OTHER THINGS CARS CAN RUN ON

1. Testosterone
2. Nitroglycerin
3. Ox blood
4. Starbucks Skinny Iced Fairtrade Latte Frappucino Decaf Special™
5. Eskimo snot
6. Larks and aardvarks (mixed together)
7. Self-belief
8. Bimbos
9. Cyan printer cartridge ink
10. Former Open champion Ben Curtis
61

thehitmaster,

Penicuik 22/07/2008 13:27:04
If a car can fit in a standard space then irrespective of emissions it should be charged the same as every other. Why not just raise the price for those 4x4 that make tanks look dinky that take up 2 or 3 spaces? The council have a nerve though, due to all the roadworks in City at the moment air pollution must be going through the roof!
62

Ron D,

Enybru 22/07/2008 13:27:56
Not before time. You shouldn't be allowed to have a parking permit on a 4x4.
63

Jed Smith,

22/07/2008 13:30:58
#66

Like I say, electricity. Unless they're like the internet or something?
64

I love to eat Sellotape,

22/07/2008 13:32:28
I think we should be allowed to comment on the story about the burst water main.
65

JML,

22/07/2008 13:33:57
I think all this nasty talk about 4x4s is just jealousy.
66

Jed Smith,

Moscow 22/07/2008 13:34:00

I see Brian "HND media Studies" Hennigan's turned his comments option off today.
67

Louis Catorze,

22/07/2008 13:35:53
Sellotape...just do it here...
68

Jed Smith,

Moscow 22/07/2008 13:37:59
You better stop dreamimg of the quiet life, cos it's the one we'll never know. Quit running for the runaway bus cos those rosy days are few. And stop apologising for the things you never done, cos time is short.
69

I love to eat Sellotape,

22/07/2008 13:43:24
Mario, you're three short there. And what number seven's about is anyone's guess.

How about:

8. Bumblebee earwax
9. Patriotism
10. Alternative spellings of "yoghurt"
70

I love to eat Sellotape,

22/07/2008 13:44:24
Not sure if bumblebees have ears, though. Anyone?
71

Gastric Antral Vascular Ectasia,

22/07/2008 13:46:56
Over on the burst water main story, "A Scottish Water spokesman said: 'Due to the swift action of Scottish Water engineers in diverting the mains, customers were kept in supply. Moving forward, we will maintain a close vigil on this troublesome main.'"

Why do people use the phrase "Moving forward" in this context? It means absolutely nothing.
72

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 22/07/2008 13:49:19
Clearly the photo at the top of this page was posed. NO-ONE reverses a car alongside a kerb on the nearside by opening their window, leaning out and looking along the offside.

In any case, if you did that on your driving test you would fail.
73

I love to eat Sellotape,

22/07/2008 13:49:41
Actually, the whole EEN is pants today. There aren't many on-line stories at all. Time to check out of this motel.
74

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22/07/2008 13:51:50
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The Moog,

Edinburgh 22/07/2008 13:55:39
Ok. I live in Edinburgh but have to drive every day to Perth to work. I leave the house at 7.30 every morning and often do not get home until anything from 7.30 to 11.30pm . I live in Leith and my office is in the outskirts of Perth so train or bus is not an option. I work in Perth because my previous employer was taken over and I have been seconded up here. Having witnessed the driving skills of other motorists on the motorway and encountered incredibly bad weather I decided I would feel safer in a small 4x4. I am not that well off and can just afford to run the car that gets me to work that pays my mortgage etc. I am already going to get penalised by the UK Government by the hike in excise duty,hikes in fuel prices and now this! This country and City is becoming a complete joke! I might as well pay my salary straight to the Inland Revenue and dish it out as they see fit!

I am fed up of hearing people on these forums rant about 4x4 drivers in town. For some of us its not as simple or practical as running around in a puddle-jumper!
76

NorT,

Edinburgh 22/07/2008 14:00:00
This is nothing to do with being green - it is all to do with the Council trying to raise money and bash the motorist yet again. A parked vehicle does not emit anything. It also hopes that this move will make people use the trams - how are they going to make them pay otherwise.
77

James (1),

22/07/2008 14:01:42
So now the cost of a permit no longer relates to non profit making, purely administration costs.
The council who told us this permit scheme was done because resident wanted it (1st lie) and that the price was set due to administration running costs (2nd lie).
They can now apparently reduce the cost of a permit to £15. So why not reduce it to £15 for all permits?

Answer:- "We are raking in the cash from permits and this is a big money making venture. Remember we got nothing from motorist but by telling them they need to buy a permit because that is what the public want means CHA CHING loads O money. Sure we can give discounts to some but if we were to stop fleecing the majority then where is the money going to come from?"
78

JFW,

NewTown 22/07/2008 14:01:44
I have a 5 year old car that is slightly high in the C02 stakes. However, it remains parked for most of the time as I live centrally - zone 6. We also have another medium car for transporting our 3 kids on occasion (it's not a gas-guzzler) but between both cars we do less than 3000 miles a year, as they are both parked most of the time and we walk and use buses more often than using our cars. Why should I pay twice as much for a parking space to ease congestion/pollution that I do not cause. When you live centrally you rarely use your car. Congestion is caused by those who commute into the city, along with the old buses and those ridiculously polluting London-style Taxis. And the other thing that these muppets advocating the increase don't seem to realise is that changing a car regularly results in the biggest environment impact, causing new cars to be manufactured. I intended keeping my car, which was second hand, for the next 20 years and I don't use it much, it doesn;t make sense to force me to change it. Besides, why should I pay more to park it than someone who has a very small car but who uses it all the time, or more unfairly, someone who has a huge 4x4 who isn't in a zone but who uses it all the time for commuting in and out. This is a ridiculously unfair idea that will do nothing to ease congestion or pollution.
79

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22/07/2008 14:03:09
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tomias,

Edinburgh 22/07/2008 14:06:08
How much to park a tram outside of ones door?
81

celtic4,

USA 22/07/2008 14:08:50
#81 Bumble bees have antenae, not ears, but it was a cute thought.
And why doesn't the government just tax everyone for everything they do, and ban everything while they're at it? This is the wildest "banning" country and new taxes country I have ever seen!
82

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22/07/2008 14:09:47
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alex patersons English teacher,

22/07/2008 14:10:40
95
is ones door number 11,111,1111,11111 or 111111.
84

The Moog,

Edinburgh 22/07/2008 14:11:40
94
When was it illegal to post on 2 different boards?

90
If only life were so simple as just changing jobs!

Get real people and dont look at things from your own narrow minded perspectives!
85

The Moog,

Edinburgh 22/07/2008 14:13:08
99
I rarely comment on here. Its the stupid comments from folks like you that I have to read constantly every day.
86

Liz,

Edinburgh 22/07/2008 14:15:04
#89
Have you considered moving to Perth? You would save yourself many hours from the commute. Or what about changing jobs?
87

Maisie from Morningside,

22/07/2008 14:15:24
Most people with big cars have nice driveways to park them in.
Meanwhile on the road there's a white line equivalent to a parking space which stops other cars parking in order to give them access.
This is free - so currently they're paying nothing , in the future they'll pay nothing and they get free use of a parking space sized piece of road to give them access.
Maybe those with the white line access should pay an extra few hundred???
88

The Moog,

Edinburgh 22/07/2008 14:16:41
Troll...or is that trollop!
89

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22/07/2008 14:18:45
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The Moog,

Edinburgh 22/07/2008 14:21:28
I am as entitled as anyone here to voive my opinion without being heckled by cnuts like you and the other bint.

You seem to think you own the board. saddo!
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22/07/2008 14:22:15
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22/07/2008 14:22:46
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The Moog,

Edinburgh 22/07/2008 14:22:49
Your head on a plate would do for starters!

I was not moaning - just giving an example to you narrow minded bigots that there are reasons why people run different cars.

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lulach mac gille coemgain,

22/07/2008 14:33:02
Only country folk should own cars - townies are a DANGER on the road !
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alex patersons English teacher,

22/07/2008 14:33:55
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if moogs is seconded, whose first.
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alex patersons English teacher,

22/07/2008 14:39:40
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agh i get it. who's first, not whose.
is whose seconded.
that must make moogs thirded.
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I love to eat Sellotape,

22/07/2008 14:40:35
Well I have to commute from Dar-es-Salaam every day, and if the government does anything to raise the price of jet fuel, then I'll start whingeing here, too.
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I love to eat Sellotape,

22/07/2008 14:41:29
I have an uncle who commutes to Livingston from Saturn.
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hibbyspurs,

22/07/2008 14:42:53
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If you use your "two" cars so little then get rid of one ya plum.... Hey presto your charges for permits, tax etc. will be halfed...

I'm not in favour of this idea either but your comment just sounds like "look at me I've got two cars dont you know, but dont use them as I'm just soooo eco freindly & believe in excersice & public transport"...

Better still... get a garage instead of a permit... savees the better car getting "keyed" or otherwise abused by the divots who stroll around the city wrecking anything they cant afford....
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Jed Smith,

Moscow 22/07/2008 14:44:55

There should be a cycle tax. Cyclists should pay extra for

Wearing silly helmets
Sweaty grunting
Getting in the way
Cycling on the pavement
Being generally a bunch of arrogant t0ssers

Come on, scottish govt, if we can ban smoking we can surely ban this tribe of w@nkers
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sceptic,

livingston 22/07/2008 14:45:10
Imagine giving up your car and ending up sitting next to
Gorgie_Tony for 20 minutes being harangued on the finer points of socialism and Euro 1V compliant compression ignition engines! Giving credit where it is due at least this socialist government has got all these pensioners and working class upstarts out of their cars, that Thatcher encouraged them to buy, and back on the buses where they properly belong.
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22/07/2008 14:45:21
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it's short for who is?

whats whos then.
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Council Insider,

Council HQ 22/07/2008 14:45:28
Another bonus for me if this goes through. I want everybody to be driving 4x4's. After all I get a percentage of every permit sold.
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