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Our lives are being ruined by these louts in flats on stag and hen nights



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Published Date: 28 August 2008
RESIDENTS of an upmarket housing development in the Old Town say their lives are being ruined by "louts" after stag and hen parties began using flats in the complex.
Those living next to the properties in Lochend Close, between Calton Road and the Royal Mile, say they are forced to put up with drunkenness, noise and anti-social behaviour almost every weekend.

The two £250,000 flats, which are owned by private landlords and advertised by Festival Apartments, are let out to groups of up to 14.

Bruce Borthwick, 64, a retired vet who has lived in the building for six years, said: "The police have had to be called because of the noise that's being made. It's basically loutish behaviour.

"There's the ladettes and the totally inconsiderate and repugnant behaviour you get with groups of guys. Their behaviour produces a very antisocial environment for the rest of the people in the development."

Festival Apartment's website is used as a portal for more than 600 short-term lets throughout the city. But Ian Scott, the company's director, said the flats at Lochend Close had never been marketed at stag parties.

He said: "We've never had reports from the police about Lochend Close. Large groups can sometimes be well behaved and sometimes they're not.

"We rent these flats out to people celebrating 50th birthdays, that kind of thing. These two flats are worth a total of £500,000; we don't want people knocking hell out of them."

He added that his firm was ending its involvement with the properties after being contacted by the city council with residents' complaints and would be handing over the lease next month.

Earlier this month it emerged that the number of stag and hen parties coming to the Capital has shot up dramatically as revellers turn their back on foreign trips.

Bars, hotels and outdoor activity centres have seen the number of party bookings soar by up to a quarter this year.

The rise is being seen as a side-effect of the credit crunch and poor exchange rates, with many people opting against the long weekends abroad which have become popular in recent years.

Business leaders have in the past warned that the Capital's stag and hen night culture is spiralling out of control and could actually be damaging the city's economy.

Edinburgh Chamber of Commerce says it has received a number of complaints about the impact of drunken behaviour in the city centre.

A spokesman for the city council said renting out flats in such a way was classed as holiday lets and therefore not subject to licensing.


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  • Last Updated: 28 August 2008 10:25 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

28/08/2008 12:22:47
Well , it IS scotland you know.

Scottish people :- Move out of Scotland.
2

ccc,

28/08/2008 12:26:39
"These two flats are worth a total of £500,000"

Eh.....No they're not. They were bought for that. They are probably worth 30% less if they are lucky.

:)
3

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 28/08/2008 12:30:04
"Business leaders have in the past warned that the Capital's stag and hen night culture is spiralling out of control and could actually be damaging the city's economy."

Oh did they now? Well, they are hardly "business leaders" then. If they were, they would be looking for ways to capitalise on this by providing facilities directly aimed at this market sector rather than whinging like spoiled kids because clearly someone is having a party and they aren't invited.

Scotland can do without "business leaders" like these.
4

Liz,

Edinburgh 28/08/2008 12:33:00
What has the price of the flats got to do with anything anyway?!

The fact that the flats are 'worth' £250,000 is totally irrelevent.
5

Zugspitze,

28/08/2008 12:38:26
I lived on the High Street and it IS a nightmare with the Stag/Hen nights. As I was around the corner from the Travellodge? on St. Mary's street, every weekend night was full from about 10pm to the early hours of shouting, singing, rubbish and bottles being thrown and general anti-social behaviour from both the stag/hen nights AND the hostels.
Edinburgh has alot to offer and not just for Stag nights. I do not believe that the tourist industry would suffer too much from an outright ban on these type of weekends in the capital and it would bring much needed relief to residents as well as other tourists who are put off by this nonsense!
6

Dorian,

Edinburgh 28/08/2008 12:52:47
Didums
7

Tookie,

Compton 28/08/2008 12:52:59
#4

Pretty relevant - if I was one of 14 people couped up in a central Edinburgh flat valued at only £250k, I'd be making a noise.
8

Tookie,

Compton 28/08/2008 12:53:39
#5

How do you propose "an outright ban on these type of weekends in the capital " is imposed?
9

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

28/08/2008 13:01:37
What's needed for Edinburgh as a whole is a thre-strikes rule. Three separate complaints from neighbours about noise or other anti-social behaviour, validated by police or noise wardens, and the address loses its licence as a rental.

This would make landlords careful who they let to, and have them laying down the law to tenants on the first strike, and evicting them on the second.

Landlords must not be permitted to make profit through the misery of neighbours of their tenants.
10

Tookie,

Compton 28/08/2008 13:01:48
#2

How do you know how much the owners paid for the flats? In any case, any valuation is open to conjecture, and I have heard some argue that the only reliable "valuation" is an actual selling price.
11

techpunk,

28/08/2008 13:06:20
#2

(groan)....you just can't help yourself, can you?
12

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

28/08/2008 13:09:44
Amazing isnt it ? Heres a place "worth" the same as these flats full of drunken tw@s.

http://www.jsvt.net/2332532
13

Zugspitze,

28/08/2008 13:12:00
#8 There are many ways to stop this kind of behaviour on a small scale (like refusing to serve them, as this already happens in some restaurants in Edinburgh) and on to bigger measures like taking greater care to ensure hotels and rented accomodation are not rented to large, rowdy groups. It is possible and happens in many other countries, ie the States and even Ireland. Perhaps an outright BAN was the wrong phrase, I should have said discourage and place the onus of legal responsibility for their customers behaviour on the club, hotel, hostel or letting agent
This is not Newcastle, there will always be a massive tourism industry in Edinburgh and doesn't NEED this income to survive as a holiday destination

14

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

28/08/2008 13:16:54
13

couldnt we just shoot people who wear amusing matching T-shirts ?
15

Zugspitze,

28/08/2008 13:18:34
14 sounds like a good plan but I suspect that may be considered taking it oo far by some...........bloody PC brigade!
16

Tookie,

Compton 28/08/2008 13:21:13
#13

Yes, that makes a bit more sense.
17

FrankGallagher,

28/08/2008 13:25:14
12

The freaky doll is too much
18

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

28/08/2008 13:30:05
17

Oh Jesus. didnt see that.

My Mum puts dolls on here bed. Lots of them. my dad worked out that she spends 5 and a half hours a week taking dolls off the bed and putting them back on.
19

elayne,

28/08/2008 13:33:11
whatever happened to a good old night out with some pals for stag/hen night?its now turned into weekends/weeks and is big business,i coudnt handle ONE night on the booze nevermind a weekend or week lol,lots of daft lassys in angel wings screeching and singing while one tries to enjoy a pint of guiness in bannermans=ANNOYING!
20

elayne,

28/08/2008 13:35:41
ps hen nights are rubbish!too damn girly!
21

Hamish B,

Edinburgh 28/08/2008 13:38:51
If this guy had any sense ,he would have known that this area is well known for that and not to buy there in the first place. As for hen nights,the name should be changed to chicken nights as most of them are!!
22

Charles Linskaill,

On the go on the mobile 28/08/2008 13:39:47

"Didums" it certainaly is!

If you dont like it,.......'get out'

For Gods sake!, why all the 'mamby pamby'?

This is Edinburgh central what does one expect? Like living near a airport 'of-course' you gonna have noise, research the place before you live in it.
23

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 28/08/2008 13:47:27

elayne ~20,

Ah soo you want the men?

If only I was up for grabs! :)
24

Andy 52,

Niddrie 28/08/2008 13:48:54
# 15 sounds like a good plan but I suspect that may be considered taking it oo far by some...........bloody PC brigade

What's the polis go to do with it?
25

Zugspitze,

28/08/2008 13:51:34
22 Have a word with yourself! It is that way because this is allowed, not because it's ALWAYS been. People have lived there far longer than this kind of nonsense has been going on.

Perhaps if people such as yourself didn't leave your quiet little flats on a Sat and descend upon a particular area of Edinburgh to act like complete tools, people wouldn't have to suffer so much foolishness in these areas.

Honestly, why don't you give me your address, I'll send some of these cool central Edinburgh folk around yours to urinate against your door, shout through your letter box and sing Rule Britannia at 3 am outside your window. Then you can enjoy the whole Edinburgh city center experience!
26

Foo,

28/08/2008 13:55:12
#25, Just do what they do in Italy, throw a bucket of water on their heads, and if that doesn't work, olive oil.
27

Zugspitze,

28/08/2008 13:57:00
Have done that to someone riding up and down the close on a 2 stroke motorbike..........he never came back!
28

The Geniune Mario Antionette,

28/08/2008 14:10:29
it doesn't matter whether it is Scotland or not - loutish behaviour should not be tolerated.
29

The Geniune Mario Antionette,

28/08/2008 14:11:20
#28 - I agree
30

Big Smoke,

28/08/2008 14:13:57
If you move to those areas you have to expect the noise!! If you don't like noise move to the country!
31

elayne,

28/08/2008 14:16:25
#23 haha no thanks!
#28 unfortunatly its part of the "culture"nowadays,go out get p!shed every weekend,have a screaming hangover/alcohol poisoning,laugh about ones drunken antics then do it all again
32

Zugspitze,

28/08/2008 14:33:34
# 30

Yes, the OAPs who lived in the ex-council houses across from me that had lived there for 40 plus years SHOULD have known that Stag and Hen nights would come along and take away their right to a nights sleep. Of course, it makes perfect sense that THEY should just move to a quieter area. talk about lack of foresight eh?
33

Scotland.org.uk,

28/08/2008 14:43:18
What's funny about these articles it's like its a bunch of people who never do anything else apart from come out at the weekend and party. We've all been on stag or hen weekend, if you've not, then its cos you got no mates. These parties are made up of all types of people having fun police, solicitors, doctors etc. The problem really comes from groups who have organised there own stag party and just end up on the drink all day. Going through an agent and doing organised activities like a party bus etc can really help control the groups and keep them in places that want the stag and hen biz.
34

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

28/08/2008 14:44:56
33

In Germany , the wife to be leads her group in going round the bars , handing out sweets.

Its very nice.
35

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

28/08/2008 14:46:33
Basically I'm an old fert but whats wrong with going Camping , or hillwalking , hiring a nice Villa and using it as a time to spend quality time with old friends - instead of getting lashed up and making a twonk of yourself ?
36

focusten,

City Centre 28/08/2008 16:37:50
This isn't just a story about old people complaining. Its about a loop hole in the law. Currently a "holiday flat" doesn't need to be registered as a B&B or an HMO (house of multiple occupancy). The result is that landlords representing the city can do as they please. That includes no fire regulations, no governing body over what they charge and how etc. The result is a collection of hovels all over the city filled with hacked-off over-charged mobs trashing thier surroundings. All that we're asking is that the law be changed. It is also entirely possible to ban Stag & Hen do's out-right, Dublin has done so already, making it impossible for really large groups to book hotels, restaurants or clubs. I like a party as much as the next man but I've been on more than one stag do that didn't trash the hotel room, smash bottles in the stairs and slash on the neighbors front door.
37

Pilrig.,

Livingston 28/08/2008 17:01:18
5 - ban this, ban that. Such control freakery.
38

Pilrig.,

Livingston 28/08/2008 17:05:09
25 it's been going on in the toon since they first opened pubs there. If you like a quiet weekend don't live in central Embra !
39

focusten,

28/08/2008 17:06:29
I know, I know. Like law, its such a waste of time. Keeps people from killing and robbing each other, its just such a bore.
40

focusten,

28/08/2008 17:18:14
That's really not the point Pilrig. Living in central Edinburgh is great. I love the pubs, the clubs, the tenements, the party atmosphere all of that. But if landlords with no one keeping an eye on them pissoff groups of 20 blokes at a time in my stair it's not so much fun. Its not just needing a "quiet weekend" when they ring my buzzer all through the night (week nights too) waking my kids and elderly mum because they don't have enough keys. Not so much fun when they break bottles in my stairs so my kids have to walk over them, or when throw lit fags into the garden behind, or urinate all over the stairs outside because the landlord wont give them their deposit back. I'll come ring you buzzer all night one night and we'll see how long your party spirit for Embra lasts.
41

Destroy the Planet,

28/08/2008 17:24:33
# 38 No its not, it all started with alcopops and menacing English culture
42

tomias,

Edinburgh 28/08/2008 17:33:13
Market Forces
43

let's play darts,

Edinburgh 28/08/2008 17:38:42
Is anyone else looking forward to seeing Half Man Half Biscuit play the Liquid Room on 1st October as much as me? Not a hen night in sight I'll vouch...............
44

party flat sufferer,

Edinburgh 28/08/2008 18:30:39
There is a group of people who are having problems with party flats and are trying to get things improved. If you have suffered any party flat experiences - noise, drunken behaviour, disturbances etc - you can email them at partyflatscomplaints@googlemail.com. The more people who can get together to show how big this problem is, the better.
45

JT,

28/08/2008 19:00:35
If you live in the city centre you have to expect some noise at weekends, however you also should be able to have a safe and reasonably peaceful nights sleep. Its not just the city centre that suffers with this as in Gorgie we have experience people ringing the wrong buzzer at 4am and broken bottles in the stairwell screaming and shouting in the streets. For those who own the flats need to take responsibility for the guests and should make them aware of their social responsibilty whilst having a good time.
46

CurlySue,

28/08/2008 19:02:40
# focusten, I do sympathise with you! How about filming the antics of these partygoers and then upload them to You Tube for all the world to see.

The Student Hall of Residence next door to these flats will open soon. That will add to the fun.

I can't post without mentioning the bloody bagpipe music played all day long by the Tartan Tat shops. I'm surprised nobody has cut the wires on their speakers yet.

 

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