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Snack van feels bite of bureaucracy after 25 years in spot



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Published Date: 21 August 2008
IT has operated without incident for more than 25 years.
But a snack van which has been trading from the same spot at South Gyle Crescent for more than two decades could be forced to close – after a complaint by a council official.

Chargrill Co's application for a renewal of the street trader licence pr
ompted an objection from the services for communities department, which claims no permission has been given for the van to be left on the road outside of trading hours and the unit should be removed from the site each evening.

John Barr, whose mother, Mary, has owned the van for 11 years, said he was stunned.

"We've never had any complaints. The guys who work round here have offered to write stating they have no objections. There has never been an accident or staff injured, but moving the van overnight would put staff at risk."

Mr Barr, 29, is concerned that the hot oil used for cooking in the van could create a safety hazard and that moving the van through busy traffic would be more problematic to other road users than leaving it parked at South Gyle Industrial Estate, which is practically deserted in the evenings.

The family have had the application continued for two months while they seek legal advice on the issue. Mr Barr continued: "We have been told if we have been here more than eight years we can't be forced to move.

"We can apply for planning permission, but it would only be granted for five years and after that it would be put out to tender. We could lose the spot we've been in for all these years, so we're looking for another option."

The family is currently paying fixed position rates to Lothian Joint Valuation Board, and said they had previously been told there was no need to remove the snack van overnight as long as it was kept in a roadworthy condition so it could move in emergencies or for any roadworks.

Mr Barr added: "It's just this one official – he's got a bee in his bonnet. He doesn't have any objection to us staying here at peak hours but he does to us staying here from 8pm-6am, which I find very strange."

Owner Mary Barr, 62, added: "I have had a street trader's licence at South Gyle Crescent for the last 11 years. The snack van I own has been in the same fixed position for over 25 years, and has never moved.

"In my view it seems ridiculous to ask 20-plus snack vans in close vicinity all to move during peak traffic hours.

"Surely this has a greater risk of accidents to the public than to be left stationary."

A council spokeswoman said the application would be considered, along with any objections, when it is brought back to the licensing sub-committee in two months' time.





The full article contains 493 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 21 August 2008 10:03 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Hibs fc,

21/08/2008 12:20:41
After 25 years dont see a problem,
Buy a cafe!!
2

Cappo Del Monte,

21/08/2008 12:23:19
#1
They would need planning permission which the loony cooncil wouldnt grant.
Why do I feel this cooncil loon has an axe to grind, probably a friend waiting to take over this lucrative site
3

Boy Wonder,

21/08/2008 12:38:24
These "officials" should be named!!! Tell us who the small-minded individual is!!!
4

Foo,

21/08/2008 12:41:33
Yeah typical edinburgh small minded, small trousered petty official. I hope whoever this little man mouse admin clerk is, he chokes.

Why is there no facility to complain about these idiots?
5

YummyMummy,

21/08/2008 12:45:44
Wonder if this just applies to this van?
Dont see the problem with leaving it stationary, the have the correct permit and is in road worthy conditon incase it needs to be moved.
6

alex paterson,

edinburgh 21/08/2008 12:50:37
Name and shame the council clowns,or does this apply to them all,who make these silly decisions.
7

Destroy the Planet,

21/08/2008 12:51:03
Good, does this mean theyll remove them from the grassmarket as well ? I presume so, just need to make an official complaint
8

Steven P,

edinburgh 21/08/2008 12:52:14
Now will the general public realise what they miss when council employees go on strike. How the city will suffer with council officials unable to pursue rogue snack bars.
9

abcd1234,

Edinburgh 21/08/2008 13:03:03
Tell her she need to make a contribution to the trams and then she'll get the nod.
10

JulesF,

21/08/2008 13:04:36
'The snack van I own has been in the same fixed position for over 25 years, and has never moved.'

How can it possibly be road legal then, the underside must be as rotten as a corpse ?
11

Hmm?,

21/08/2008 13:14:50
Don't know why they should be 'stunned'. - They've been warned enough times over the past year or so.

Furthermore, it's clearly stated in their licence that the 'van' cannot be left overnight.

I've no sympathy for people that can't/won't follow the rules laid out for them.
12

Epicuras,

21/08/2008 13:19:54
#3 and same official should personally be charged for all the legal fees in this case; CEC and the Barr's - it's this sort of tw*t gives counci employees a bad name
13

Kevin,

21/08/2008 13:25:28
As #11 previously posted, it is in the conditions that they have to move the van every night, they have choosen to ignore these instructions therefore their license should be revoked! Everyone else has to follow the rules so why shouldn't they??
14

YummyMummy,

21/08/2008 13:37:03
#13

The snack van on sighthill bank (i think) has always been there when i have passed it late at night.
15

Kevin,

21/08/2008 13:58:28
#14 I'm not disputing the fact the van is there...but every other van has to move (as set out in the conditions) so why shouldn't they. I myslef have a van and have to move it each night, it can't be one rule for them......
16

I love to eat Sellotape,

21/08/2008 14:05:17
I cannot imagine what it must be like to spend 25 years working in a snack van.
17

I love to eat Sellotape,

21/08/2008 14:05:41
I also cannot imagine what it must be like to be attacked by wolves.
18

I love to eat Sellotape,

21/08/2008 14:05:50
Or sparrows.
19

Jayess,

Edinburgh 21/08/2008 14:12:19
I can't imagine what it must be like to be so disturbed in your mind, as to love to eat Sellotape.
20

Prin the Dissolving Donkey,

21/08/2008 14:29:59
I can't imagine what it must be like to use a comma so inappropriately.
21

Farmernot,

21/08/2008 14:48:00
Sieg Heil Planning Dept
22

tomias,

Edinburgh 21/08/2008 16:02:39
Market forces rule OK
23

Alba-Hibs,

21/08/2008 16:35:36
why don't they push it 10 yards up the road each night.

and then push it back each morning.

surely thats it moved ????
24

gorgeousgorgieboy,

Edinburgh 21/08/2008 17:05:10
Better watch out if council officials come to visit. Theyll nick all the cutlery.
25

NorT,

Edinburgh 21/08/2008 18:13:38
It is a public road and provided it is taxed and insured no permission is required to park it when not being used.
26

kiwi007,

EDINBURGH 21/08/2008 18:24:36
Did this dafty get a rotten bacon butty one morning wot a plonker,get behind you desk and stay there
27

charliecha cha,

21/08/2008 19:06:01
26#do you work for the council by any chance?
28

kiwi007,

EDINBURGH 21/08/2008 19:45:57
27# dont work for the council should i or am i missing something here
29

The Geniune Mario Antionette,

21/08/2008 20:22:01
so its a permanent fixture on the public highway then ?
30

Plantagenet,

21/08/2008 23:33:53
I've often wondered about people who run these vans, they are stuck in there for hours on end, where do they go for a tinkle, if as I suspect it is a bucket under the counter then where do they, if they do indeed, wash their hands before making my bacon butty?
31

666A,

Not in South Gyle 22/08/2008 00:26:02
Have you seen the size of some of these "vans"? They're as big as a pikeys caravan, they shouldn't be allowed to park during the day never mind at night, the one at the Gyle near to the SPS and bank building is so wide it causes a partial obstruction, not to mention a back door with steps that lead onto the road!
Get shot of them, buy premises if you want to stay in the same place.
32

Jenny MacArthur's Humvee,

22/08/2008 00:38:06
The owner of the van should offer to give food to the council staff which can be payed through the famous honesty box, or just join the masons.
33

Spotty Geek,

Wauchope Street 22/08/2008 08:56:18
As a HBOS employee this is great new as it will mean three more parking spaces will be available on the crescent.

Hurrah for the council getting rid of this smelly eyesore

 

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