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Tram workers in walk-out threat over wages wrangle



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Published Date: 21 November 2008
WORKERS on Edinburgh's trams project have threatened to down tools and walk off site because they haven't been paid for weeks.
Carillion, the company responsible for moving underground services in preparation for the laying of tram tracks, has reportedly not paid wages due to a number of its subcontractors, citing "contractual matters".

One worker told the Evening News: "We are just concerned now about whether we are going to get paid."

Another said: "I think Carillion is in serious financial difficulties. All the work has come to a standstill on Leith Walk. Some subcontractors have not been paid for three weeks."

The manager of one company which has threatened to pull out of the job next week if it is not paid said: "We have got one vehicle and driver on hire to them at the moment. We are due money from Carillion and they are not forthcoming with it.

"There are a few of us in the same boat. We have dealt with Carillion before and never had any problems so I don't know if it is just an issue with funding for this project."

However, John Denning, Carillion's director of corporate affairs, has reportedly said the payment problems were down to "contractual matters" and denied that the company was in any financial difficulty.

Mr Denning reportedly said: "The payment issues are very small and are driven by contractual matters, which are commercially confidential and we don't comment on them.

"These sorts of matters are not out of the ordinary.

"Carillion has an extremely strong balance sheet and within the context of Carillion, whilst this is a very important contract, it is also relatively small."

It is thought that some subcontractors are struggling because banks will no longer lend them money to cover periods when payment is withheld during contractual difficulties or work delays.

A spokesman for tram company TIE said the firm could not comment as Carillion was responsible for employing and managing its own subcontractors.

The news comes after the Evening News revealed yesterday that the £87 million tram extension from Roseburn to Granton is set to be scrapped due to the economic downturn and rising costs.

Council sources say that the financial climate, coupled with the fears of an overrun on the £512m budget for the main tramline, meant line 1b was a "non-starter".

Councillors have yet to make a formal decision on the extension, but are understood to have met with Edinburgh's chief executive Tom Aitchison to be told they would have to make up their minds by the start of December.


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  • Last Updated: 21 November 2008 11:01 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

capy,

embra 21/11/2008 12:00:48
Tick Tock Tick Tock......
2

Ima Stoner,

Doobie Street, Edinburgh 21/11/2008 12:04:51
I've heard that the bus fares are going up to help subsidise the trams!
3

Skip McClendon,

21/11/2008 12:05:16
If they down tools and stop working, will anyone really notice the difference?
4

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21/11/2008 12:06:16
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JulesF,

Kirkliston 21/11/2008 12:10:01
Great, looks like the Gravy is starting to leak !
6

Goges,

21/11/2008 12:14:23
Not like TIE not to comment......again. Maybe it's because there is nobody at TIE who could articulate a sensible response.
Methinks Willie Gallagher had the powers of hindsight?
7

alex paterson,

edinburgh 21/11/2008 12:14:37
And still they are canceling more bus routes,the buses that are left will outlive the trams.
8

edikop,

edinburgh 21/11/2008 12:16:18
If a Billion is more than a Million, is a Carillion more than a Billion ? Is that how much it's going to cost ? Carillions of pounds ?
9

Skip McClendon,

21/11/2008 12:19:20
Has anyone noticed that the tram in the picture looks like one of the space-pods from 2001?

I think we should bring in HAL-9000 to run the scheme. He may be nuts, but at least he can do sums and can sing a nice rendition of "Daisy, Daisy" into the bargain.
10

roadstohell,

21/11/2008 12:20:55
Work at the Carillon site @ cameron Toll has stopped.workers not getting paid
11

Snails dont like curry and chips,

Edinburgh 21/11/2008 12:21:41
Walk out? So what, would it make any difference - the holes will still be there, disruption to all services etc etc. White elephant from day one! Who is next to do a runner before they get caught out.
12

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 21/11/2008 12:23:15
Can't say I have much sympathy for them.

If the workforce do decide to walk out, I hope they don't come back.

Wonder if Carillion are experiencing cashflow problems right now?
13

roadstohell,

21/11/2008 12:24:10
Foo exercising his crystal balls
14

Dangermouse,

Too close to a tram line 21/11/2008 12:27:49
Trams, don't you just love them! For the next four weekends (starting a week tomorrow) I will have the pleasure of pile drivers working between 11pm on a Saturday to 8 am on a Sunday thumping away just yards from my bedroom.

Merry f'n Christmas from TIE
15

James (1),

21/11/2008 12:28:08
#4 Naughty, naughty!
You cannot count yourself twice (Foo+Mario)just to make it look like there are more for the tram than against it.
I have resigned myself to this tram line being installed. It is now just a hobby for me to watch it crash and burn.
Kind of like Formula 1, obscene amounts of money wasted but you like to see the crashes.
I want to see just how much this comes in over budget or more likely ends up like Edinburghs other disgrace being only part built. The buffers being installed at the end of Princes Street cause they run out of money.
16

Skip McClendon,

21/11/2008 12:31:36
#17

He has had a couple of drinks though.
17

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21/11/2008 12:31:36
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Skip McClendon,

21/11/2008 12:31:59
I am me, and no-one else is!
19

Skip McClendon,

21/11/2008 12:36:15
#21

I told you to lay off those cakes yesterday.
20

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21/11/2008 12:38:32
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Nelbert,

21/11/2008 12:38:37
"Carillion has an extremely strong balance sheet"

I seem to remember being told that HBOS and RBS had extremely strong balance sheets.
22

Old Cartha Boy,

21/11/2008 12:40:37
The irony, the irony....what could be more delightful than Carillion being the ones that bring this to a shuddering halt!

23

scotsol,

Edinburgh 21/11/2008 12:42:44
Why don't we get Mario to design the tram livery? Dig those psychadelic colours, man.
24

cammy burns,

leith 21/11/2008 12:43:04
WORKERS on Edinburgh's trams project have threatened to down tools- I WISH THEY WOULD THREATEN TO WORK -
25

Bob 2,

21/11/2008 12:45:25
Tram workers in walk-out threat over wages wrangle.

Wouldn't they have to be doing some work in the first place, like many that have commented.

Any time you pass the "tramworks" ,

theres about 12 men standing about
one standing in the hole - moving Earth from One Side of the hole to the Other Side of Hole.
26

Niko Bellic,

21/11/2008 12:46:25
Orgtrasm

27

Niko Bellic,

21/11/2008 12:50:56
Let's look at the facts:

Gallagher, Renilson - gone
Line B - Gone
Jenny "The Hat" Mcarthur - gone

Something fishy here.

Workers not paid? Spells doom for the trams.

Marilyne McLaren and Roland Browning could have done a better job.
28

James (1),

21/11/2008 12:52:14
Foo has the new Mrs arrived yet?
You will be able to take her to visit the tram works.
Wait until she sees Leith wok?
Oh how her eyes will light up, what with the big city and electric lights.
Just remember to tell her that she means everything to you and Mario.
Ah!
29

roadstohell,

21/11/2008 12:52:31
Are the bookies taking bets on ?

Wonder what the odds stand at the noo ?
30

Dragonlord,

21/11/2008 12:53:57
30# Mario, Can I ask you this. Will you come on here and appologise to all you have abused, WHEN the trams are cancelled/fail to be completed for any reason?

I for my part will appologise to all pro trammies, IF the trams ever run and make even one penny profit. ( real profit not just someone fiddling the figures)
31

scotsol,

Edinburgh 21/11/2008 12:54:08
Have you noticed how none of the disasters the EEN reports have actually happened, they're always going to happen, or feared may happen, or some tw*t says will happen. So yesterday we got the scrapping of the spur line which hasn't happened, today it's the strike which hasn't happened, two days ago it was the Christmas parties which haven't yet been cancelled. And another thing which hasn't happened - decent journalism in the EEN.
32

Niko Bellic,

21/11/2008 12:54:15
Foo's wife is called Bruce.
33

Niko Bellic,

21/11/2008 12:54:46
There was a bit of a mix-up, but they both like trams and blazers
34

tumshie heid,

21/11/2008 12:58:10
"Work is at a standstill" Now I see that all those guys leaning on spades are actually doing it on purpose.
Anyway, yet more evidence of the impending trams implosion. Waahey! The sooner the money stops being wasted the better.
Oh and Foo, once the mess on Leith walk is tidied up maybe you could go to private lines and get a new wife?
35

Bob 2,

21/11/2008 12:59:31
33 The Genuine Mario Antoinette,21/11/2008 12:47:04

I wish it was funny, but walk past the tramsworks in the city centre and thats whats going on.

Its like the comment, about the tramworker in the hole,
i) shovelling earth up onto the edge of the hole,
ii)only for half of it to fall back in again
the worker then repeats i + ii
No Wonder its taking so long,

Seeing is believing.
36

Bob 2,

21/11/2008 13:00:21
Tram workers in walk-out threat over wages wrangle.

Wouldn't they have to be doing some work in the first place, like many that have commented.

Any time you pass the "tramworks" ,

theres about 12 men standing about
one standing in the hole - moving Earth from One Side of the hole to the Other Side of Hole.
37

The Judge,

21/11/2008 13:01:36
And another piece of the puzzle falls into place.

Remember people, announcement in mid January, utility work stops mid March.
38

Skip McClendon,

21/11/2008 13:02:01
"Carillion has an extremely strong balance sheet" - Carillion spokesbod

"The US economy is fundamentally strong" - John McCain

"I did not have sex with that woman, Miss Lewinsky" - Bill Clinton

"Heart of Midlothian will win the Champions League" - Vladimir Romanov

"Edinburgh will have a world-class integrated tram transport network, on time and in budget" - Jenny Dawe.

Etc, etc.
39

Bob 2,

21/11/2008 13:04:44
38

you forgot the fares increase in April that did happen

Cuts in Bus Routes in October - that did happen

Cuts in Bus Routes in January - that will probably happen.

watch the Lothian Buses website or Evening News.

Some of their stories are Blown up a bit to make headlines, but many are not that far of the truth ?
40

Brian Ferrari,

21/11/2008 13:06:05
Johnston Press 7.15p

Buying opportunity? Reckon I could get myself a directorship at that price.

PS that is not a tram in the picture - it is a gondola.
41

Skip McClendon,

21/11/2008 13:07:39
#49

Ahhh, I see where TIE have been going wrong. They have been digging canals.
42

roadstohell,

21/11/2008 13:07:51
C'mon folks, has anyone seen a major infrastructure prroject like this "shutting down" over the holiday period, OK for the Public Holidays and perhaps for a few days either side, BUT for a whole month !!!
Thsi is of course to benefit the poor struggling shopkeepers & trades folk, and allow Edinburgh to become that well known world famous shopping centre ( really ?). They have got no cash to pay the workers, and they aint getting paid for these holidays, mhhh this can only mean one thing.

They are bust !!!!!!

There you go Carillon, you made a promise to yourself NOT to get burned by another tram project after Nottingham, BUT you couldn't stay away, couldn't heed your own advice, oh well "Hell Mend Ye"

43

TankEngine,

Uphall 21/11/2008 13:14:27
Well, I've heard that any payments due to Carillion have to have the tax deductde at source and send the the Tax office as a certain company is very behind in their payments to the Government. This is normal when a company is about to !!!!!!!
44

hibbywul,

21/11/2008 13:17:05
Trams will never again run in Edinburgh.
45

Brian Ferrari,

21/11/2008 13:23:55
#52

You want to have another go at that post?
46

Ecto,

London 21/11/2008 13:25:06
If Carillion go up the swanny you will here me laughing in Edinburgh as this whole tram debacle is such a nonsense. Civil servants in Scotland can't manage big construction projects, lets face it look at the parliament and that was one stationary building in one location, the looney tram network runs all over the city. Give up now, put the tar back down on Leith Walk and the dodgy looking scaffolding clock back at the top and walk away, it was all a bad dream, honest guv!
47

dba,

Haymarket 21/11/2008 13:25:48
This situation is EXTREMELY SERIOUS

I call upon the City of Edinburgh Council, the Audit Scotland Office and the Department of Work and Pensions to mount a tri-lateral investigation into
(a) The terms and condition of the sub-contracts
(b) The constant 'needless obstruction of the highway' by needlessly cordoning off of large areas of the public carriageway.
(c) The cavalier disregard for the ammenity and convenienc of the General Public.
(d) The methodology whereby this contract was, in fact, awarded in respect of the EEC rules on competition.
(e) The distrubing fact that as most sub-contractors are on 'self-employed' contracts (meaning 'no-work-no-pay') it is almost in the said sub-contractors interests to PROLONG the time take to carryout work on specific stages.
(f) The EXACT methods of 'materials control' carried out at each specific site in respect of infill materials used to 'pack' around utility pipes etc.
(g) WAS (or is) the Council aware of the exact position or is the continuing silence from the City Chambers YET ANOTHER exam ple of (i) their complacency (ii) their ignorance and (iii) Their TOTAL INABILITY to even try to bring this situation into the open?

The growing smell over Carillion and it's apparent indifference and arrogance is deeply disturbing.
48

James (1),

21/11/2008 13:28:21
If Carillion have stopped paying there is a chance people will start resigning?
For personal reasons!
49

Bob 2,

21/11/2008 13:30:49
Good Picture of the Tram, was it a giant AIRFIX kit

Now TIEs only problem after building it is , how do they get it out of the office?
50

World class concrete,

21/11/2008 13:36:34
They should go on strike indefinitely - but only after they've filled in the holes.
51

TankEngine,

Uphall 21/11/2008 13:37:09
#54. Sorry if I did not make it clear.

Any company that is due a payment to Carillion has to deduct the tax at source and not send the full payment to Carillion. The taxes due are then to be sent direct to HM revenues. This normally only happens when a company has a large outstanding tax bill with HM revenues or they think they are about to go bust. This only came into effect last week!! Does HM Revenue know something about Carillion that maybe Edinburgh council doesn't?
52

Skip McClendon,

21/11/2008 13:42:08
Not really a surprise that Carillion are about to go down the tubes.

To me, they've never been the same since Fish left.
53

Chatatara,

Edinburgh 21/11/2008 13:47:51
What a load of silly remarks on here. I kept reading to see if it got any better. Can you not just e-mail or IM each other with your silly remarks instead of making yourselves look really stupid on a public page ?
54

Bottoms Up,

Wardie 21/11/2008 13:48:32
Carillion used to be called Mowlem - not a lot of people know that
55

tumshie heid,

21/11/2008 13:49:41
#62 Aye but theres plenty of Derek Dicks working for them.
56

James (1),

21/11/2008 13:49:58
#63 Humble apology! Anyway what is your view on the subject or are you still at work as web master and not allowed to comment?
57

Brian Ferrari,

21/11/2008 13:52:30
#62

Don't you mean P i s h ?
58

Skip McClendon,

21/11/2008 13:53:57
#63

So you respond to silly remarks where people are allegedly making themselves look stupid by posting a stupid remark that makes you look silly? That's a bit...silly.
59

Brian Ferrari,

21/11/2008 13:54:59
#63

You're called Chatatara

*snigger*
60

Angus R,

21/11/2008 13:56:25
I thought Fish was the lead singer of Carillion and not this John Denning chap?
61

tumshie heid,

21/11/2008 13:58:00
#63 Why are the remarks silly? Is it because they dispute the line that you have swallowed that said. Trams are braw,they're the best thing since sliced bread?
This shambles should never have happened and when the dust settles there will be a few ex business owners wondering what it was all about. The Caledonian alehouse for one. Demolished for what? Edinburgh's disgrace 21st century style.
62

eric,

lothian 21/11/2008 13:58:36
Amusing.
63

roadstohell,

21/11/2008 13:59:49
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/carillon-to-take-acircpound10m-hit-after-tram-costs-spiral-586407.html
64

roadstohell,

21/11/2008 14:00:16
Does any othe above seem like familiar reading ?
65

roadstohell,

21/11/2008 14:03:46
http://www.carillionplc.com/investors/investors_shareholder_performance.asp
66

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21/11/2008 14:08:14
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Mallory,

Edinburgh 21/11/2008 14:09:58
Think dba (#56) is asking the right questions - why are the Evening News not engaging on a decent investigation on all this? No doubt there will be plenty of political support from cost-conscious councillors and members of the public who continue to witness the on-going effects of this shambles..

On another matter is it true thatthe City Council is being placed under pressure to 'snap up' ownership of their new building at Waverly?

As sitting tenants, presumably with a long lease, surely the Council should hang out for a good while yet as the price will no doubt continue to drop as the recession bites.

Who knows us citizens might get to buy it for a nominal £1 if the developer goes bust.

If the developer claims another party is interested then fine - the council still owns plenty offices throughout the city and hundreds of thousands of square metres of existing and on-stream office space is un-sold.






68

roadstohell,

21/11/2008 14:12:28
#77 too late I think, they announced taking out a £90 million mortgage earlier on this week I think.

Cheek , they never asked me
69

tumshie heid,

21/11/2008 14:12:38
#77 Foo do you ever sit at home puffed out because your footpump broke whilst bringing your wife back to life and you had to blow her up yourself?
70

tumshie heid,

21/11/2008 14:13:38
Ok Ok it's #76!
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21/11/2008 14:16:07
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Black Five,

edinburgh 21/11/2008 14:16:40
With a bit of luck they might down tools and stay away ,then we could fill in their blasted holes and believe that this horrid mess has just been a bad dream.
73

fresian,

edinburgh 21/11/2008 14:17:53
Mario 58, you do not live in a warm cosy house, you live with your pet mouse in a cold cold house by the sea
74

roadstohell,

21/11/2008 14:19:52
I'm standing here at the foot of Edinburgh's Leith Walk. ( remember Fyffe Robertson?)

And , I can tell you , that there is zero activity here, in fact I walked up & down the walk, and there is not a single workman to be seen, inactive or otherwise.
75

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21/11/2008 14:21:30
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roadstohell,

21/11/2008 14:23:40
#87, no that's not me
77

roadstohell,

21/11/2008 14:23:48
this is me
78

Niko Bellic,

21/11/2008 14:25:16
Where are the PR folks?

They've disappeared. Kirsty Floyd-Williamson, Jenny MacArthur, Derek Flange, Brian Steamer - all gone.
79

tumshie heid,

21/11/2008 14:26:05
I'm just a sweet tramsexual Foo.
Off to burn rubber on my bike with my village people outfit on!
80

Niko Bellic,

21/11/2008 14:26:29
Adolf Hitler used to think trams were following him round Liverpool City Centre.

Now there's an argument for trams.
81

tumshie heid,

21/11/2008 14:26:54
#90
Probably in the pub discussing their redundancy packages.
82

James (1),

21/11/2008 14:27:56
#87 A new low for Foo!

He is now writing to himself!
83

James (1),

21/11/2008 14:30:17
Mario do you and Foo argue on who gets the use of the computer?

Foo has an over inflated ego!

Perhaps Mrs Ego Foo could calm him down?
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21/11/2008 14:31:43
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21/11/2008 14:32:48
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Chatatara,

21/11/2008 14:35:44
I was talking about the remarks that have nothing to do with the subject on here. It always seems to be the few who make inane remarks, nothing to do with the subject in question. The remarks regarding the trams are interesting to read, but the others - need to get a life. I have one before anyone says different, just so happens that I am bored at the moment
87

valleyjim,

21/11/2008 14:37:10
#64. rubbish. Carillion used to be called tarmac construction.
88

Incandescent,

21/11/2008 14:44:04
#90 Jenny's away again on holiday with Gorgie_Tony.
89

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21/11/2008 14:44:16
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James (1),

21/11/2008 14:49:21
#99 you have used the wrong word.

You are not bored at the moment, you are boring at the moment.
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James (1),

21/11/2008 14:52:50
#98 I know you are not Foo. There, there!

Psychiatry recognises split personalities do not acknowledge their other half. Why would I expect you to be any different?

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21/11/2008 14:56:14
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21/11/2008 14:59:58
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Top_Dawg,

21/11/2008 15:04:32
You guys need to get a life!
95

Niko Bellic,

21/11/2008 15:10:56
Get a life.
96

Niko Bellic,

21/11/2008 15:13:36
Tram
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Niko Bellic,

21/11/2008 15:16:27
Kiosk wifey "£2.50 please!"

But I've only got £2.49!

Kiosk Wifey "Escort magazine's £2.50, sorry. If you want a deek at some poon, you'll need more cash!"

Ah'm no an alky bamstik.

98

fresian,

edinburgh 21/11/2008 15:17:11
No 100, Vallyjim, in fact you are both correct, Carillion bought over Mowlem in 2006, carillion was formed by splitting Tarmac as a company in 1999...in case you were interested.
99

James (1),

21/11/2008 15:19:44
Foo here is a wee tip. Leave a bit of time between switching names and posting either as Foo or Mario.
That way you can at least put doubt into peoples minds that you are not one and the same person.
I know you are but at least try to make other think you are different people.

Its kind of like TIE making out all is well with the tram installation. Illusion, it works 9 out of 10 times.

Now are you going to huff and puff and blow your wife up?
100

Niko Bellic,

21/11/2008 15:20:08
Marillion had Mo Mowlam as backing singer on their worldwide number one hit "Kayleigh".

They fell out though because they had differing opinions on Stormont.

Steve Hogarth thought Stormont needed a poon kiosk, whereas Mowlam wanted a suite of bathrooms with baths with doors in them, coal, and a Thora Hird stairlift.

101

Niko Bellic,

21/11/2008 15:21:29
Supertram have got a new single for the Xmas market, it's called

Breakfast At Granton
102

tumshie heid,

21/11/2008 15:24:11
#99 Are you the forum police? No thought not. I would suggest that you are a cardigan wearing knitter who probably drinks a wee sherry at christmas.
103

Niko Bellic,

21/11/2008 15:27:01
1. Everything you do is a Richard Branson transatlantic hot air balloon crossing.

2. The growing smell of patchouli oil and Mcewans lager over Marillion and its apparent indifference and arrogance is deeply disturbing.

3. All the people/ so many people/ and they all go hand in hand/ through their tramlife.

4. Confidence is a preference for the habitual voyeur of what is known as Tramlife. And morning soup can be avoided if you take a route straight chrough what is known as Tramlife. Johns got brewers droop, he gets intimidated by the dirty pigeons - they love a bit of it. Tramlife!

5. It's got nothing to do with your Vorsprung Durch technik, you know. And you joggers.


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roadstohell,

21/11/2008 15:33:40
OK, having sussed out that the walk had NO workmen on it. i motorcycled over to the Cameron toll, and yep u guessed it, nobody there, in fact there has not been any activityo ther than subcontractors loading up plant that has not had the rental paid) since Tue afternoon.

Now, make of that what you will.

C'mon evening news hacks get aff yer bums and do some reporting
105

I love to eat Sellotape,

21/11/2008 15:37:30
I am going to go the sauna tonight and get absolutely steaming. Then I am going to do six squat thrusts.
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Chatatara,

Edinburgh 21/11/2008 15:41:42
# 103 - glad my boring response is getting your hackles up

# 106 - yes i would if i knew where it was
107

Brian Ferrari,

21/11/2008 15:46:03
Has anyone organised our Xmas bash yet?

Thought we could get together for a few beers and see where the evening takes us?



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Chatatara,

Edinburgh 21/11/2008 15:46:25
Why
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tumshie heid,

21/11/2008 15:48:52
#119
I would guess that it's just a standard half day on a Friday routine?
I hope not though because if the trams are being brought to a halt then it's fantastic news.
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Chatatara,

21/11/2008 15:48:53

# 116 Oh u r so wrong
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21/11/2008 15:49:14
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Chatatara,

21/11/2008 15:50:02
aye # 127 = always game for a laff xx
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Brian Ferrari,

21/11/2008 15:52:47
We could get someone from the evening news to moderate. Allknowing would talk the whole evening to High Octane about his Vitara. James and Duncan in Edinburgh would be in the toilets together. You'd be fine
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Niko Bellic,

21/11/2008 15:53:01
Why not?

There's loads of pros and not many cons

Pros

1. You get to lick the windows and make farty noises with your shoes

2. It's funky and accessible and budgetery

3. It only smells if you're not smelly

4. Trees

Cons:

1. All the cons drive scooters
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Niko Bellic,

21/11/2008 15:55:30

Ding ding!

Parp parp.
ha ha
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roadstohell,

21/11/2008 15:55:41
well of course "early loosin time" on Friday, but no activity all week ????
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Niko Bellic,

21/11/2008 15:57:42
Mario's doppelganger is outside, chewing a lamppost and singing Roy Orbison songs.

The bouncers have given him his bus fare home and a packet of lamppost flavour Chewits.
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Niko Bellic,

21/11/2008 15:58:40
Free Nelson Mandela. I'm beggin you.
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Niko Bellic,

21/11/2008 15:59:06
If.
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Niko Bellic,

21/11/2008 16:01:57
TRAM WORK TO GRIND TO A HIATUS

Farquhar Shabby-Stank, new trams chief has released this statement:

"It's all over bar the inane comments. Off the record, I collect dead wasps."
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Brian Ferrari,

21/11/2008 16:02:43
Chatatara

Why don't you stick to your postings on the Daily Express

eg

Unfortunately previous Governments took away most of the family values by stopping the tawse in school, not allowing children to be disciplined and actually letting them off with just about everything. Now they are trying to back track. ABSO's do nothing. The belt never did me any harm [ even tho it was usually just for talking] lol , but I did behave myself.and I respected my parents, police etc., Parents and teachers need to discipline the children but laws now make that impossible.
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