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Warning after vandals torch primary school



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Published Date: 23 July 2008
FIREFIGHTERS have welcomed the planned demolition of a vandal-hit former primary school – but warned bored youths have been responsible for a spate of other blazes.
The former Hunters Tryst Primary School was branded a potential death trap after the latest suspicious fire on Monday night. The building is due to be demolished today but firefighters fear the young arsonists may simply turn their attention elsewhere.

Andrew Anderson, watch manager at Liberton Fire Station, said there had been five arson attacks in a half mile radius in just two weeks.

"It seems to be the way at this time of year in Oxgangs.

"We have had a spate of fires in that area. There has been a lot of malicious behaviour with youths. We are quite concerned about working to address these things in the community, through visiting schools and other things."

He added: "I don't want to label Oxgangs, but we have had five fires in the space of two weeks, including two garden sheds in consecutive nights, and they torched one of the empty shops in Oxgangs Terrace. It all seems to be happening in a half-mile radius."

The city council had spent £20,000 re-enforcing security at Hunters Tryst before this week's blaze, putting steel shutters around the ground floor of the school, but youngsters broke in through upper floor windows and skylights.

The building has been empty since last summer when pupils moved to Comiston, now called Pentland Primary. It is expected to be sold to Dundas Estates, which is currently preparing a planning application and intends to build homes in its place.

The council has agreed to tear the school down first as part of the deal, and not as a result of the fires, although Lothian and Borders Fire Service had been calling for its demolition.

They feared a repeat of a fire in a former warehouse in Penicuik, which killed Craig Quinn, 12, and Blair Easton, 11, which was started accidentally by the youngsters in 1998.

Mr Anderson said: "It's been awaiting demolition but kids have still been getting in and it has become particularly dangerous."

Councillor Jason Rust, who represents Colinton and Fairmilehead, said: "We've been saying this building should have had its demolition brought forward.

"There is a great chance of vandalism and danger to anyone accessing the site.

To be fair, the council did step up security. he big problem is even when the perpetrators are identified, the parents are not really that interested, that's why it is difficult getting the message across."

A police spokesman said: "Deliberate fireraising is an issue we treat extremely seriously and we are committed to making sure that those who engage in such criminal behaviour are dealt with robustly.

"When such behaviour becomes a problem in any particular area, we will work closely with our partners in the council and fire service to make sure that the appropriate resources are allocated to tackle the problem."


The full article contains 499 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 23 July 2008 10:26 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Daft Old Git,

23/07/2008 12:14:23
Why did the council spend £20 grand on security. Would it not be better just to demolish it straight away. This happens time and time again at old schools
2

The Judge,

23/07/2008 12:28:12
It seems to be the way at this time of year in Oxgangs.

Just about sums it up, they know its going to happen every school holidays but still they do nothing about it, if they neds know they'll never be caught and punished of course its going to happen ever year.


A police spokesman said: "Deliberate fireraising is an issue we treat extremely seriously and we are committed to making sure that those who engage in such criminal behaviour are dealt with robustly.

What a load of rubbish. The police will know who's doing it but still they won't charge them.
3

I love to eat Sellotape,

23/07/2008 12:31:48
If these people like fire so much, send them to Lupe Pintos for some jalapeno peppers.
4

Susan99,

Edinburgh 23/07/2008 12:32:14
Interesting that some people seems to think the council are to blame, wasn't it the 'children' who broke into the school and set it on fire?
If the parents aren't 'interested' then it's time to make them accountable - potential fines, and community work might soon change their minds - for the children as well. I would suggest taking children into care but that's like going out of the frying pan and into the fire!
5

Feral Youth who make Gorgie Tony's life hell!,

23/07/2008 12:33:29
Come on Tony, you're getting slow in your old age pal!
6

Gorgie_Tony,

Edinburgh 23/07/2008 12:44:10
Where were the police - they say they take fire raising seriously, and this school is a known target of fire raisers - why didn't have the place under 24 hour surveillance? The truth is the police ain't interested in doing the job us tax p[ayers pay them to do. Solution - sack the CC, then sack all officers. Employ pensioners who will do a lot better job at half the price.
7

Daft Old Git,

23/07/2008 12:47:47
#4 #6
Not blaming the council for the fire. If the building is going to be demolished anyway why spend £20K on security and why waste police and fire brigade time. In fact why not just set fire to it and get rid of it
8

alex paterson,

edinburgh 23/07/2008 12:49:02
#3
Great idea Sello,then kit them out in a firefighters outfit and put them where it is really hot.
9

Peedie Paws,

Edinburgh 23/07/2008 12:50:28
Vandelism hits everywhere during the school holidays. Either put a curfew on all children to be in at 8pm during the holidays or cut the holidays from 6 weeks to 2. If the parents refuse to accept that their "little darlings" are vandals, then make the parents pay for the demolition of the burnt out school.
10

ST170,

23/07/2008 13:05:07
#6 I think you will find most police would love to lock these little sh*ts away, but they cant because we live in a hippy loving world!
11

Boy Wonder,

23/07/2008 13:09:30
Buildings to be demolished should have it done so with a day or two of closing. Otherwise it's a deathtrap waiting to happen! Cos you know the kids'll get in if they want to!
12

NorT,

Edinburgh 23/07/2008 13:16:48
The council were warned this would happen but were not prepared to demolish it, preferring to spend money on security. They would not even giv epermission for the new owners to demolish it. They were warned this would happen.
13

The cook,

scotland 23/07/2008 13:57:40
#12 - are you saying the council were not going to demolish the school? I have always understood it was to be demolished and make way for new housing. But why the council spent so much on security and did not bring it down sooner is strange. These neds and some of their parents bring the place down. Oxgangs has a lot of good people in it I bet.
14

Scallywag,

Edinburgh 23/07/2008 14:04:09
There appears to be a group going around the area causing mayhem. I know of other incidents in addition to the fire raising. As others have said the PC Knacker knows who they are but seem powerless to get somehting done about it.
15

I love to eat Sellotape,

23/07/2008 14:13:03
He could try "accidentally" setting them on fire. I'm sure there's an unused flamethrower lying around the station somewhere.
16

Tobias,

Moredun 23/07/2008 14:16:45
School holidays - every year these young neds burn down schools - there was one yesterday in Glasgow and today in Edinburgh.

Almost always, these are local kids who are pupils or ex-pupils at the school and know the way in.

Why don't they just get offenders on community service to patrol these schools?
17

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

23/07/2008 14:21:01
Put children down mines, sewerage holes and toilets during the summer. And Chimneys

There are tasks for them to do in these places.
18

Tobias,

Moredun 23/07/2008 14:23:26
17#

And their ma's and pa's too
19

I love to eat Sellotape,

23/07/2008 14:37:56
I still think it would be better to set them on fire.
20

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23/07/2008 14:39:34
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21

The Judge,

23/07/2008 14:41:49
The school holidays also need to be looked at, 7 weeks is far too long for some of the ferals, they end up getting bored smashing the place up or burning it down. Perhaps a 10pm curfew for the under 16's might be a good idea at least the parents that drag them up will know where their brats are and the streets might be a wee bit safer.

It will never happen of course, the police are too lazy and the brats know their "rights".
22

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

23/07/2008 14:42:24
21 Put them down holes.
23

I love to eat Sellotape,

23/07/2008 14:42:35
If it will never happen, why are you writing about it?
24

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23/07/2008 14:50:15
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25

I love to eat Sellotape,

23/07/2008 15:36:59
Perhaps we could all learn to love each other and have respect for each other's property.

Not that it will happen.
26

alex paterson,

edinburgh 23/07/2008 17:16:06
Fire them one at a time out of the Mons Meg into a sheet of steel.
27

sodajerk,

23/07/2008 17:31:17
The Polis were far to busy dealing with that persons complaint about the anti english thing at th Edinburgh Dungeon.
and the rest would be in Greggs,monitoring the sausage roll situation.
28

Douglas,

Bathgate 23/07/2008 20:39:33
#26 Alex Paterson: Eef you are 'aving a sheet of steel might I suggest you check the iron een your diet.
29

pofi,

23/07/2008 21:26:31
#20 and 24, assuming that you are the same Wilfred?! You are taking the p*** aren't you?! What is Burdiehouse if it isn't "one of the poorest areas with a large number of council houses"?! I think people in Leith may take offence at your statement, consisting largely of privately owned traditional tenements. The majority of council houses are now in private ownership, 70% in Oxgangs and very similar elsewhere.
Putting rents up would only cost the council tax payer more, the people you imply are responsible (or their parents) are likely to be on Housing Benefit.
Anyway how do you know it was someone from Oxgangs responsible for the arson? I had my garden shed burnt to the ground a mile away from Hunters Tryst eight months ago.

South Side Skins- isn't that a cheap leather goods shop in South Bridge?
30

lowmo,

Edinburgh 23/07/2008 22:21:20
Having lived in Oxgangs for a few years, I am not surprised at this kind of behaviour. I would even go as far as saying when we heard the news we both thought I bet x was involved. The area has a lot going for it, it is just ruined by couple of people/families. The police try their best but when the parents don't care neither do the children there are limited options. We moved out of the area after we got sick and tired of the graffiti, vandalism, and general antisocial behaviour all caused by a select few of the youths in the area.
31

Julian.,

edinburgh 23/07/2008 22:35:30
Gorgie_Tony,

So you are saying that you would like taxpayers money spent employing police officers to lie in wait to catch these people. This way they can be prevented from destroying a building which was....going to be destroyed anyway?

That's a great use of our money.
32

Julian.,

edinburgh 23/07/2008 22:38:05
#27 Sodajerk,

Monitoring the sausage roll situation in Greggs? Now that's a good deployment of police resources. Those things are potentially lethal.
33

The Geniune Mario Antionette,

23/07/2008 23:08:00
raise them to the ground
34

The Geniune Mario Antionette,

23/07/2008 23:08:17
I blame the parents
35

The Geniune Mario Antionette,

23/07/2008 23:09:18
not that you would burn your tongue on them, they are usually cold
36

The Geniune Mario Antionette,

23/07/2008 23:09:43
the parents I mean, not the sausage rolls
37

The Geniune Mario Antionette,

23/07/2008 23:10:35
perhaps I mean the sausage rolls
38

Falling Angel,

EH3 24/07/2008 09:59:17
I went to this school and its really sad what's happened to it, it was always such a lovely school, holds a lot of good memories!
Its terrible, but if there has been a lot of fires started because it is the 'Summer Holiday' they should really start thinking about getting the Oxgangs community Centre re-opened, there is not a lot for kids to do in Oxgangs nowadays, when I was growing up there they always had youth groups, extra caricular activities for all the kids of the area to join in with, they have 2 community centres in Oxgangs and not 1 of them provide anything for kids, maybe if they had a look in to this it would keep some of the kids off the streets and give them something to do rather than go around causing terror!
39

Against crooked Councilors,

24/07/2008 10:36:30
Yes I do agree, The Police are getting lazy. Too busy sittin on there lazy backsides eating Coffee and Doughnuts
40

The cook,

24/07/2008 12:29:42
#38 yes I agree it is a sad ending for the school. There must have been lots of happy times for most people who attended it along the years and lost of people will have good memories to keep. So remember the "life" not the ending, I guess that applies to people's lives as well...
41

Not for you to know ,

25/07/2008 00:50:13
haha and thats not the first time it has been set on fire this year and it has also had most of its windows smashed and so on but they only deside to put metal fences up to keep people out after all this happens

and if you remember the holidays when oxgangs primary got set on fire that was far worse

and what are the little neds gone to do over the holidaay they are well bored hanging out at the shops these days because they dont muck about there much any more

get use to it maaaan its oxgangs haaha

 

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