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Car parking nets council £20m from motorists



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Published Date: 18 October 2008
EDINBURGH'S parking rules and regulations have handed the city council a record-breaking £20 million from motorists.
The income from fines, pay-and-display tickets, and residential parking permits soared by more than £3m in the last financial year, according to new figures released under the Freedom of Information Act.

The increase is largely the result of an expansion of the "controlled parking zone", which now takes in several city suburbs.

Critics today accused the council of using drivers as an "easy target" to help tackle its financial woes.

The local authority insisted, however, that all money is ring-fenced for transport improvements in the Capital.

Between 2003 and 2007, the council's parking revenue rose marginally from £16.6m, before last year's sudden 18 per cent increase. The largest source of income came from pay-and-display tickets – up from £9.88m in 2006-07 to £11.58m last year.

Bruce Young, Lothian and Borders co-ordinator of the Association of British Drivers, said: "Far fewer people are driving into the city centre, so this is because there's been an extension to the controlled parking zone.

"It's actually less about controlling parking, and more about bringing in as much money as possible to recoup the losses from the congestion charging plans. They have not forgiven us for that.

"In all honesty, this is because the council is desperate for cash and motorists are an easy target."

The council has a contract with NCP to enforce parking rules, and last year that cost £4.48m. On top of that, the council paid out over £400,000 to maintain ticket machines.

The income included £6.75m from fines – over £1m more than the previous year, but less than the three years before that.

Many city centre streets, including George Street, Chambers Street and Melville Street, recorded big drops in the number of penalties, while less congested roads away from the centre emerged as the new ticket hotspots.

Council leaders believe the drop is down to better use of Edinburgh's variety of parking options, but business leaders say the falling number of city centre shoppers is the real explanation.

Nigel Duncan, vice chairman of the Federation of Small Businesses Edinburgh, said: "The council is getting a windfall, but that's to the detriment of the number of people coming to the city centre.

"Anything that stops people coming in is not good for Edinburgh's economy. If you look around the streets, there's a lack of people vying for parking spaces,

and people from the outside won't come because they think the blue meanies will get them. This sends out the wrong signal."

City transport leader Phil Wheeler said: "The income from parking is ring-fenced and goes straight back into improving the condition of our roads and pavements. This council has budgeted £20m a year over the next three years to address the backlog of repairs and upgrades required for the benefit of people in the city."


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1

livilion,

livingston 18/10/2008 11:05:42
The local authority insisted that all money is ring-fenced for transport improvements in the Capital.

That would be to make it easier to get out of town to visit the new Centre shopping experience in Livingston perhaps, where the local authorities make visitors actually feel welcome?
2

Mad Jock,

East Lothian 18/10/2008 11:22:42
Funny, I thought that the roads budget came from existing funds. The statement that the money is ring fenced for that purpose proves that this is a revenue raising excercise, and has nothing to do with traffic management.
3

Goat Boy,

18/10/2008 11:34:13
"It's actually less about controlling parking, and more about bringing in as much money as possible to recoup the losses from the congestion charging plans. They have not forgiven us for that."

I don’t think it’s a case of not forgiving, it's more a case of having one avenue blocked off, so another route had to be taken. Congestion charging would have targeted the growing commuter problem, but it was blocked and now the residents of Edinburgh have to pay to keep the commuters from turning their streets into car parks. So instead of the commuter having to pay to come into our city, we (the residents) have to pay to keep them out of our street and for the privilege of parking our vehicles outside our own home. Ironic isn’t it.

But "Far fewer people are driving into the city centre, so this is because there's been an extension to the controlled parking zone." so it seems to be working.
4

Voldemort,

Edinburgh 18/10/2008 12:36:25
1. I'd like to believe that .... I fear the only transport improvement we'll see out of these ill gotten gains is more civil servants with better cars !

If you want fair policing you cannot allow the local authority to benefit in any way shape or form from fining it's citizens - the money raised through fines should be deducted from their budget by central government and a mandate put in place that ensures that the 'fine' culture is quashed.

Disguising tax as speeding fines and parking fines is eating away at the very fabric of the country and is creating utter contempt for Local Government and the Police. What really rubs salt in the wound and it the final nail in the coffin of any respect we used to have for such authority is when they stand up and tell us 'it's for our own good' !! Disgusting and rotten to the core - it must be stopped

5

livilion,

livingston 18/10/2008 12:49:00
"Far fewer people are driving into the city centre,

Fewer poor people driving into town, if you can afford an expensive executive saloon or chelsea tractor a few quid here or there for parking is less of a percentage of your disposable income.

Except that most of the revenue taken in the City comes out of the pockets of those poorer folks.

Fast forward a few years and the center of Edinburgh will be like some of its well heeled satelights, dead but for the antique shop the solicitor's and the up market wine bar, oh and those tat shops flogging Chinese tartan souveneres to gullible tourists.
6

It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 18/10/2008 13:03:14
Those of us who live in the north of Scotland just laugh at Edinburgh folks' complaints: you took all the money for your tram system leaving us with nothing but single track pot-holed roads, which are very dangerous. You can all stew in your juice now.
7

Charles MN,

18/10/2008 13:04:17
"The local authority insisted, however, that all money is ring-fenced for transport improvements in the Capital."

That is just a straight lie. The money is just used to reduce the amount spent on roads from CEC's budget.
8

SPG,

edinburgh 18/10/2008 13:07:04
What! And here's me believing the useless Edinburgh spiv council tripe that the residents charge only just covered the admin costs.
9

Gie's a break,

Edinburgh 18/10/2008 13:07:20
With this and all the money supposedly generated for the city from tourism I am surprised I need to pay any Council Tax at all. I have no doubt our truly "fit for purpose" Council will make the necessary adjustments for 2009/10, heaven forbid they would do anything as stupid, such as needlessly wasting our money by zipping about in taxis!!
10

MickyFinn,

Livingston 18/10/2008 13:33:07
Nothing like an own goal by good old Townie Councilors, lets persecute the motorists keeping them out the city, create road works for a public transport system looking doomed from the start losing money for shop keepers. People look elsewhere and on finding a better option keep to it.
Here is to tacky tourist shops, empty units, extortionate cafes and restaurant's, ooops thats already in place.
Typical Townies up there own b**ksides
11

Micjonger,

Peterborough 18/10/2008 13:35:41
If everyone parked properly,and everyone kept within the speed limit,it would be uneconomical to employ traffic wardens and install/maintain speed cameras.
Think of the amount of cash which would be saved in towns and cities throughout the country,and the saving in unnecessary deaths.
12

Toast,

18/10/2008 13:40:01
Unless you work in the centre of Edinburgh there is no reason ever to visit,it is a grubby tourist trap full of discount shops selling tack,add to that the fact that there is not one single road without a bl**dy great hole in it and not a workman to be seen,boycott Edinburgh "the roadworks capital of Eupope"
13

It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 18/10/2008 13:49:56
Bring in capital punishment for selfish parkers. That would zero the problem over night.
14

the bard,

edinburgh 18/10/2008 13:52:27
# 12- sadly you are right.

I never drive into town if i can at all avoid it ( had to on Thursday and remembered why i dont!).

I only ever get the bus in; save money on the pay and display alone never mind the petrol.

council have made it a horrible experience going into town; such a shame.
15

Joe,

Nile Grove 18/10/2008 14:10:38
#6..You are forgetting the £1bn
taken away from the North with the totally unnecessary M74 extension
and direct airport rail link into Glasgow airport...
16

PaulB,

Edinburgh 18/10/2008 14:21:21
#6 - you people make me laugh so much - Aberdeen is the oil capital of Europe yet has an antiquated road system. For years people have been demanding a by-pass. Now there are plans for one, no-one can decide where it should go - you have had over 25 years to decide. Give us a break!
17

livilion,

livingston 18/10/2008 15:06:27
16 PaulB,
Any ideas when the A82 at Pulpit Rock is going to be restored to two lanes?
This is the main trunk route between Glasgow and the North West and yet it has taken three decades and more to have tenders put out to look into perhaps maybe thinking about a repair, or even(put up brolley for flying pigs) a Crianlarich by-pass?

As for Edinburgh and having a laugh, how many transport white elephants have the city father's been responsible for?
18

livilion,

livingston 18/10/2008 15:07:21
city fathers
19

subrosa,

18/10/2008 15:45:45
# 12

Agree with you. I had to go to Edinburgh centre last Sunday to meet a dear friend for lunch. It was a nightmare. Hoards of tourists, tinny music played from tat gift shops, more road works than I've ever seen (and I've seen quite a lot). The whole place has completely lost its wonderful atmosphere of grandeur and quality.
I won't be returning as I prefer to keep my memories of Edinburgh as they were when I lived there in the 70s.
20

Mr Meadowbank,

@ home 18/10/2008 15:54:43
drink 2 cans of k cider 8.4% - it makes it look so much better 'edinburgh'
21

Smackhead,

Edinburgh 18/10/2008 15:56:20
#6 Clearly a yokel idiot that knows no better. You always have pot holde roads up there so why change? Take the chip of your shoulder and throw some more peat on your fire.

Personally I am in favour of the tickets and the fines keep them coming. Car drivers need lessons and real slow to learn. Hit them in their pocket I say.
22

Smackhead,

Edinburgh 18/10/2008 16:07:46
#19
Good idea. Stay away. Who wants people like you with your daft memories? The seventies was a woeful time of building and waste. What decade do you think the St James Centre was built in? The seventies. Now off you go back to Narnia.
23

tumshie heid,

18/10/2008 16:39:30
#22 Aye but the kinetic statue at Picardy Place was magic! Well maybe the once when the lights worked...
24

Smackhead,

Edinburgh 18/10/2008 16:59:57
#23
You just supplied another nightmare of building for me right there. That kinetic thing was another tragedy. Just goes to prove that dolts like number #19 really have no clue and live in a time bubble. Bet he/she lives in some village trapped in the past.
25

Pond Hall,

18/10/2008 17:24:34
Bit of a misleading headline, you'd think they'd raked in £20m

and its only £3m in the last financial year, still alot of money.

simple solution, obey the parking regulations and the wardens would be out of a job ASAP!
26

mystic,

Edinburgh 18/10/2008 17:49:29
They'll do anything to make some easy money. Absolutely immoral.

www.SeeingEdinburgh.co.uk
27

GR,

18/10/2008 18:21:04
No 1 - I was at Livingstone today, and it's free to park all day if you want to - unfortunately this will not last for long, W.Lothian Council already have plans to introduce car parking charges - hopefully they don't consult Edinburgh on how much to charge.

No 6 - You must be new to this, Edinburgh Folk have stated repeatedly, we don't want the trams, we don't need them,they will not pay for themselves, ever. Blame your politicians.
28

capy,

embra 18/10/2008 18:36:32
I spoke to Cllr Burns the then Transport guru on the council,on Talk 107 a while back. I was told that all the changes would be "revenue neutral" ha.
And if this money is being put back into the roads and transport budget, i see little evidence of it.
Even away from the total chaos of the Tram works, every other road is dug up put back and dug up again.
No thought given to the order the work is carried out. If i didnt no better i would say all this is done on purpose.!!!If you think that a bit of free parking here and ther will drag folk back to the city centre then you live in a different world. Ocean terminal/Gyle and Livingston for me. End of rant.
29

Jenny MacArthur,

18/10/2008 19:12:05
What better way to raise money for public finances could there be than to have a tax on the selfish, antisocial idiots who can't understand simple rules put in place to protect us all from their couldn't-care-about-anyone-but-themselves behaviour? The more taxes are moved towards raising money from moronic idiots and away from basic needs like food and jobs, the better! Ignore the whining selfish gits who don't care for anything but their own convenience.
30

Jambo-ree,

18/10/2008 19:44:39
What I find reeally funny are all those signs as you approach Edinburgh from any direction reading "Major rodworks at (fill in the blank). Use alternative route."

Is there ANY alternative route that does NOT have major roadworks on it? City is a complete shambles and to think I used to be proud of saying I came from Edinburgh. And that's why I now live outside of it.

Does the council honestly believe that 'budgeting (n.b. not commiting to spend) £20m a year over the next three years to address the backlog of repairs and upgrades' is even going to scratch the surface (pun intended) of the third world state of Edinburgh's roads?
31

Jambo-ree,

18/10/2008 19:45:56
"Major roadworks"
32

Gorgie_Tony,

Edinburgh 18/10/2008 20:02:01
Well what can I say - car drivers should remember in the pecking of order of transportation they are at the bottom of the heap - below trains, buses, taxis, pedestrians, and cyclists. If the car driver has to pay a parking fine it is totally their own fault - no one else's - so don't come on here moaning about parking attendants and the council. Take responsibility for your own illegal actions, instead of trying to blame everyone else apart from yourself. As I have always said, 99.9% of Edinburgh car drivers would fail a driving test tomorrow. You regularly see them driving whilst using their mobile phone, failing to wear a seat strap, sitting in box junctions, ignoring red lights, illegally driving in bus lanes, illegally parking in bus stops, failing to adhere to speed limits, ignoring the rules of the Highway Code, in particular rule 223, undertaking, failing to signal their intentions (especially on roundabouts), and driving aggressively and without consideration for other road users. In fact you would think that 99.9% of Edinburgh car drivers got their driving licence out of a Lucky Bag. The driving standards are an absolute disgrace - none of them take pride in their driving. Roll on a decent Chief Constable that will wage war on the motorists - just like they are doing in England. When they do, you can guarantee, road congestion will be removed overnight.
33

Jambo-ree,

18/10/2008 20:06:10
#32 - You forgot trams ;o)
34

Fae Fife,

Bainbridge island 18/10/2008 20:17:04
Gorgie Tony got it right...car drivers make a choice to drive and need a place to park. Don't like the charge for parking? Then don't drive. Edinburgh has a great bus service (day pass about the same as a few hours of parking), so what's the problem? So what if the council is making some money out of parking - the rest of us have to pay for the cost of the policing, hospitals, air and noise pollution as a result of all those folks who choose to drive. Such costs are socialised across all Edinburgh residents, even the folks who don't own cars or don't drive. The free lunch (and free or cheap parking) is over, car drivers. Deal with it by choosing to take public transportation, walk or bike or keep digging into your wallet and quit carping about the price of parking. For four decades the city has been all too accommodating for cars and now things are beginning to turn. Edinburgh will be better in the long run for having fewer cars clogging its roads.
35

Gorgie_Tony,

Edinburgh 18/10/2008 20:20:42
#33 - You are right, I forgot the trams!! Car drivers ain't going to be impressed with being bottom of the heap - yet they have got to accept it!!
36

Plantagenet,

18/10/2008 21:21:26
I would suggest that the Cooncil take some of their 'ill-gotten gains' and invest them in sending some of their parking wardens to 'charm school'. My wife recently fell foul of a most obnoxious female warden in Morningside, when parking my wife discovered that the only ticket machine in sight was broken and she decided to leave a note on her windscreen saying so. She informed the said warden of the situation and was subjected to a tirade of scorn bordering on abuse and told if she didn't find a 'working' ticket machine soon and get a paid up ticket on her car she would be booked. I was livid when I heard of this and bombed down to Morningside to confront this little fascist but, fortunately for her she had disappeared, (perhaps fortunate for me too).
37

Davie Lad,

Edin 18/10/2008 21:53:15
#36
Dry your eyes. Thats what your wife gets for dodging paying for the tickets in the first place. "only ticket machine in sight" what a load of cobblers man.
38

livilion,

livingston 18/10/2008 23:38:13
Jenny MacArthur, Gorgie Tony Fae Fife
I am one of those despised creatures who drives a car in Edinburgh, but I assure you it is not by choice I am paid to do it. I was up in the castle the other day and my how it has changed since the last time I was there when I paid to get in. I got to park in the castle for free.

I could not lug my bootfull of tools and equipment on public transport any more than I could get my weekly shopping onto a bus or tram, even if you paid me to do that too. Bad enoughy humphing my tools from John Lewis's car park up the Mound.

Folks like me who have families and who work for a living are not thrilled by the attitude of councillors and bloggers in Edinburgh.
When company exec saloon drivers take their cash and jobs with them out of Edinburgh and your fine Waterfront developments return from whenst they came, you can sit smugly in your New Pilton utopia or stroll contentedly along empty former shopping streets and say 'I did that'.

You will be welcome to it.
39

COLINTON.MAINS,

Oakville Ontario 18/10/2008 23:51:43
all.you.car.drivers.are.paying.for.the.new.trams
40

livilion,

livingston 18/10/2008 23:54:56
36 Plantagenet,
I parked outside the hotel in Hill Place and asked the warden for advice as the hotel needed me to do some essential work to ensure their customers' safety.
The hotel had no parking spaces left and there were no bays available within walking distance carrying equipment. He let me park outwith the designated parking zone to get the work done, same thing happened at the Mansfield Traquair Centre.


So not all parking attendants have no daddies, even if the first time there it was raining and the yellow perils were indoors drinking coffee I came out to find a £60 ticket on my windscreen, they are only obeying orders.
41

Gorgie_Tony,

Edinburgh 19/10/2008 00:37:27
#38 - "I could not lug my bootfull of tools and equipment on public transport any more than I could get my weekly shopping onto a bus or tram" - I perfectly manage my shopping on public transport. You don't need to do it all at once - I buy bits in every day. I even manage my christmas shopping on the bus. Yep - you car drivers will use excuse, after excuse, after excuse to poison my lungs. I suffer from breathing problems caused by the likes of you. Are you still selfishly proud of using a car now?
42

Davie Lad,

Edin 19/10/2008 09:43:50
#30
Enlighten us please as to the Third World place you live in now? This seems to be absent from your girning blog here. Since you now live outside, as Edinburgh is obviously too shocking for you to stay here, let me be the first to extend the dinnnae bother coming back hand of friendship! Moaning ar$e.
43

Davie Lad,

Edin 19/10/2008 09:48:58
#38
All this $hit from someone living in Livingston??! You can rest easy living in that dive. A dirtier hell hole never existed I am sure. Full of schemies,drunks and idiots that think they have found a new heaven. Get real man! Best you stay away too. Your unlikely to be missed.
44

tumshie heid,

19/10/2008 10:16:37
Tony you have breathing problems because you don't stop for air when moaning.
Of course you can do your Christmas shopping by bus as afterall a piece of cuttlefish for your budgie isn't exactly heavy is it?
You are a nerd of the highest order and I urge teenagers in Gorgie to feel free to randomly abuse/throw chips at you when they feel like it!
45

rs,

.of a grass cutter 19/10/2008 11:27:29
tony

try taking a petrol driven lawnmower or any other equipment that is combustible on a bus

And you'll still be waiting at the bus stop.

Have a bit of common sense, imagine a tradesman, parking 2 miles from his job.

Hold on missus, I'll have to go to my van for a bit of copper tubing, i'll be back in an hour.

Mind you if your the tradesman £60 an hour it could be a money maing job!
46

calum,

19/10/2008 11:49:21
Gorgie_Tony - "bottom of the heap", eh? You are the "heap of the bottom", old man. Now, go and change into your frock and return as Jenny MacArthur.
47

Gorgie_Tony,

Edinburgh 19/10/2008 12:13:22
#45 - where did I suggest tradesmen try to take such equipment on the bus.

#46 - the truth hurts doesn't it. I know when I hit a raw nerve when clowns like you start to abuse me. It is the truth. Car drivers in Edinburgh are well and truly at the bottom of the heap when it comes to priorities. Long may the parking attendants reign. They are teaching idiots like you a lesson. Eventually the penny may drop in your miniscule brain, that you are one of the selfish car drivers who don't mind polluting the lungs of everyone, causing long term health problems. Totally, totally selfish.
48

James (1),

19/10/2008 13:16:23
I would think that any person who looks at the charges being heaped onto drivers would agree that this has always been about bringing in money and nothing to do with trying to reduce traffic.
That is the beauty of this scam. Make out you are trying to reduce traffic because how can you be against that?
The biggest money making lie is that the controlled parking zones are for the benefit of the residents.
Prove it by giving lowering the cost of the permit!
Motorists just have to get on with what they do. Trademan pass on the cost of parking to the customer. Motorists shop out of town.
Parking charges are here to stay because they bring in so much money for so little outlay.
49

calum,

19/10/2008 13:35:07
#47 - aw, diddums, is poor wee Gory_Tony upset again. Away and put on your wee pink slippers and stamp your feet.
By the way, how did you get on with your complaint to the polis about some laddies throwing a chip at you? Have you complained about them not coming to see you ......or did you do the sensible thing and go and see them? Have they been thrashed ..... or leathered .....or beaten .......or dragged over broken glass ......or given mustrad gas? Never mind, the clinic will be open again tomorrow and you can get a stronger syringeful of whatever you need. Anyway, byeeee GT (that's a car, isn't it?), I've already wasted more time on you than you deserve.
50

Gorgie_Tony,

Edinburgh 19/10/2008 13:51:10
#48 - I really wish the selfish car drivers would go and shop out of town - it would make the air a lot cleaner in the city, and the roads more safer. It would become a pleasure to walk the Edinburgh streets. Unfortunately the clowns don't, and continue to clog up the streets along with my lungs. I watched a pair of female drivers mahke a complete and utter fool of themselves yesterday on Dalry Road. The traffic was queued back to the road bridge for the Gorgie Road junction. At one point a car driver decides to foolishly drive on the wrong side of the road in order to turn right into Muiriston Crescent - passing a bus in the queue. What do the dumb female drivers do? Yep - like sheep - they follow - thinking the car turning right was overtaking the bus - which was not the case. So the female drivers are now alongside the bus - on the wrong side of the road - and suddenly realise there was a queue of traffic in front of the bus - and they had nowhere to go. Yes - the clowns now had to reverse back - and made a very poor job of that. This sort of thing happens all the time and is another example of the very poor driving standards held by 99.9% of Edinburgh car drivers. These females should have been arrested, thrown in the jail, given a lifetime driving ban, and had their cars confiscated. Unfortunately a weak police force means dangerous idiotic car drivers, like these females, are left to cause accidents and death on our roads.
51

One-man-bucket's older twin,

19/10/2008 14:03:35
Gorgie Tony - I have to use my car because the buses are full of jealous carless paupers blocking the seats and aisles with their gorceries and christmas shopping, and there's no room for me.
52

Gorgie_Tony,

Edinburgh 19/10/2008 14:07:58
#51 - another poor excuse from a selfish car driver - keep them coming - lets see you all make total fools of yourselves.
53

ConnorD,

19/10/2008 15:03:55
Gorgie Tony, it seems the only one making a total fool of themself is you. You appear to be a misogynistic psychopath - throwing women in jail?!?. I'm sure you know that the police do not have the power to do as you suggest, thankfully. That is up to the courts.
I've seen your posts before and you seem obsessed with violence (thtrashings et al) and hatred of women (as above). Have you considered speaking to your doctor about it while you're in seeing him (well, it won't be her) about your weak chest?
54

Voldemort,

Edinburgh 19/10/2008 15:38:20
On parking fines I would urge civil disobedience as with speeding fines ... it is TAX pure and simple and they are making the rules increasinly complex and hard to follow in order to confuse you into 'offending' or simply making it impossible to go about your daily business without 'offending' ....

I for one will not pay another parking fine EVER nor will I pay a speeding fine or attend a court unless I am forced to so under Police escort. This country is run by selfish militant fools and I am not jumping through their silly little hoops any more ... enough is enough !
55

tumshie heid,

19/10/2008 15:43:48
Whats the matter Tony? Did you fail your driving test whilst dressed as "Jenny Mac"
Inadequates like you deserve to be sitting on the bus watching enviously as people with more money glide past in their personal vehicles. They also have the luxury of not sharing it with cretins like you.
56

Gorgie_Tony,

Edinburgh 19/10/2008 16:01:54
#54 - carry on not paying the parking fines - and I will look forward to reading about selfish car drivers like you, who think they are above the law, get the jail you so deserve. It really highlights your poor driving skills if you don't obey the law.

#55 - lots of wrong assumptions!! You have no idea about my driving experience etc!! And you are another moron who has abused me - so I can abuse you. Low life, selfish car drivers like are totally oblivious of the damage you are causing to my lungs. Car drivers should be forced to pay an additional tax towards the Health Service in order to pay for treatment for folk like me. No doubt you are one of the 99.9% of Edinburgh car drivers that think they are great drivers. It's a bit like the X Factor. All the contestants think they are perfect singers and will sell millions of albums, but in reality they are total dross. Yes - I am sure driving falls in to that category. Pea brain - go and grow up.
57

calum,

19/10/2008 16:08:39
#53, I think you've called that correctly. Sadly, these forums attract that sort of person who are "on the edge" as it were. This guy rants and raves and gets pelters from many others but he doesn't seem to realise that they're winding him up. He's at least in his late 70s (according to his other posts) so perhaps he needs help. Best ignored if he won't get help himself.
58

rs,

. on the chair 19/10/2008 16:12:56
GT read this

re question at 47 Gorgie_Tony, Edinburgh 19/10/2008

Question #45 - where did I suggest tradesmen try to take such equipment on the bus

41 Gorgie_Tony, Edinburgh 19/10/2008 00:37:27
#38 - "I could not lug my bootfull of tools and equipment on public transport any more than I could get my weekly shopping onto a bus or tram" - I perfectly manage my shopping on public transport. You don't need to do it all at once -

here it is broken down

You don't need to do it all at once -

you wrote it not me

Which means that the tradesmen should make multiple journies on the bus to carry out a job....

and how would you get your shopping trolley on the bus if the tradesman was taking up all the space?
59

rs,

. in the Carrera 19/10/2008 16:15:21
Tony

I never have any problem parking my Carrera in the city centre

RS
60

rs,

.on the road 19/10/2008 16:35:36
54 Voldemort, Edinburgh 19/10/2008 15:38:20
On parking fines I would urge civil disobedience as with speeding fines ... it is TAX

Voldemort are you saying that we should all ignore the speed limits and drive at any speed we want.

People get speeding fines because they are breaking the law....Speed limits are there for a purpose.....or are you above the law....



61

The Squirrel,

Woodlands and municipal parklands 19/10/2008 16:54:32
The TW's are worse than pigeons.
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Gorgie_Tony,

Edinburgh 19/10/2008 17:08:34
#60 - if you parked according to the law, drove at the correct speed limit, then obeyed all the driving laws and regulations, and drived according to the Highway Code - guess what - no fines, no jail sentences, no points on the licence. It is obvious that if you are getting points, fines, jail sentences etc, you are one of the 99.9% of Edinburgh car drivers who seriously think they are good drivers, but in reality are total dross.
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ConnorD,

19/10/2008 17:09:00
#57 - Yes, I guess you're right. Cheers
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Gorgie_Tony,

Edinburgh 19/10/2008 17:11:00
#53 - take a reality check - I reflect on what I see and my years of experience. Clowns like you should listen to my comments more, because you will eventually realise that I speak all sense.
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19/10/2008 17:13:25
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ConnorD,

19/10/2008 17:14:15
PS - mind you, I find it odd that he's lecturing people about breaking the law and yet that is exactly what he wants the police to do with confiscations, locking up, beatings etc. etc.. And no doubt he didn't bother to offer himself as a witness at Torphichen Place Police Station to the atrocious driving he alleges he saw. I suppose that's what schizophrenia does foir you.
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ConnorD,

19/10/2008 17:17:49
#66 - I didn't make any comment about your age but Calum at #57 did. I was agreeing with the sentiment and the more you continue the more that view and those of others seem correct. What was that about reading posts correctly?
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Gorgie_Tony,

Edinburgh 19/10/2008 17:19:39
#67 listen clown - I don't break the law - I have never broken the law - I was brought up with physical punishment that kept me on the straight and narrow - something the thugs of today should suffer. It never did me any harm. Witness - you are having a laugh!!! The driving offences I saw will require a police officer 2 years to attend before they do anything. In June last year I was the victim of assault, abuse etc - and I phoned the police. Guess what - I am still waiting for the lazy b*ggers to respond to my phone call for help. The police should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves. An old man is suffering because of their laziness.
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Gorgie_Tony,

Edinburgh 19/10/2008 17:20:46
#68 - you were agreeing with another clown about my age - grow up and apologise to me.
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ConnorD,

19/10/2008 17:35:00
#70 - Apologise to you? No. And you chose not to report the matter to the police? It seems that you are the one who is lazy and apathetic. But I shall resist the temptation to hurl mindless insults like "clown". Anyone joining or reading can clearly see who the clown is for themselves. Goodnight.
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The Squirrel,

Trees 19/10/2008 17:41:03
I'd rather be a squirrel than a clown, yes I would.
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calum,

19/10/2008 17:44:02
ConnorD - For your information, this Gorgie Tony has been on and on and on about this "assault" for months -
A brief summary (from information given by the man himself):
The "assault" consisted of a youth throwing a chip at him.
The abuse was name calling....
He phoned the police and he alleges they never attended his "cry for help".
He has been given information and a weblink about how to complain about the Police but has never used them.
He claims to have served "King and Country" for several years so that must place him at least in his late 70s otherwise he is .....eh, "mistaken".
His views take on the extreme - he constantly goes on and on about the police dishing out thrashings, beatings, throwing people in prison, dragging car drivers out of the front windscreens of their cars, firing mustard gas at them etc. etc. Does this give you the picture of what this creature is?
As I say, he is best ignored.
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Gorgie_Tony,

Edinburgh 19/10/2008 17:47:22
#71 - I have reported many things in the past to the police - they have never, ever attended, or done anything about it. So why should I waste money on phone calls to the police? Edinburgh police are absolute wasters. You never see them patrolling the streets, you call them and get no response. In fact there was a letter in the EEN earlier this week which echoed my feelings. Lets face it - a lot of my council tax is paid towards the police - and guess what - I ain't getting the service I pay for. I really hope police officers are reading these forums so they can get to know what the public really think of them. It is very, very low. Get out on the street and start arresting the thugs and punishing them - its simple. If they can't do it - ie afraid of a fist fight - get out of the job and stop wasting my council tax money.
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Gorgie_Tony,

Edinburgh 19/10/2008 17:56:47
#73 - see what a proper police force does - what Road Wars on Sky. It's down in England where the public get their moneys worth out of their police force. Car drivers commiting a driving offence - straight away they are rammed off the road. A dog unit also attends. The police then smash every window in the car. The driver and occupants are then dragged out the car through the broken windows. What happens next - the mustard gas is sprayed in their face, they are all batoned, and the dog gives them all a good mauling. This is all fact - just watch Road Wars, Police Interceptors, Police Camera Action etc - all filmed in England. The English police can do this - so why can't the Edinburgh police? I will tell you this - the reason the Edinburgh police don't carry out such tactics is because they are a bunch of cowards. They don't like having to arrest violent people. They don't like confrontation. Hence the reason when you report an assault, they don't appear!!
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Gorgie_Tony,

Edinburgh 19/10/2008 18:14:12
Notice how #71 and #73 have become silent!? Yes - they realise I am right!! They are complete idiots - and refuse to admit the truth - the police in Edinburgh are not serving the public - pure and simple!!
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calum,

19/10/2008 18:31:41
#73 has not gone silent. He's had his dinner and shortly he'll take the dog for a walk...... it's what is called "Having a Life".
You have got serious problems, old man.
"The police then smash every window in the car. The driver and occupants are then dragged out the car through the broken windows. What happens next - the mustard gas is sprayed in their face, they are all batoned, and the dog gives them all a good mauling."
See what I mean. You have an obssession with violence. I can just picture you watching all these fly on the walll shows on Sky and there's you ..... salivating and sweating. It's not for the Police to dish out punishments by proxy for the likes of you, that is for the Courts.
BTW, it's not mustard gas, that is illegal. It's not even a gas. It's CS spray. Pay atention when you watch these shows.
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calum,

19/10/2008 18:32:52
PS- You're not Alex Orr of Bryson Road are you?
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Gorgie_Tony,

Edinburgh 19/10/2008 18:51:47
#77 - Why don't the Edinburgh dish out such punishment? I'll tell you why - they are nothing but cowards. You never see them proudly patrolling the streets on foot. You never see them carrying out the actions I have described, which the English police carry out without any argument. You never see the Edinburgh police respond to telephone calls - my situation proves that. You always read on the EEN letters page, about folk who are receiving poor service from the police. Sack every Edinburgh police officer, including the Chief Constable. Then order the army to take over the policing of Edinburgh. That will teach the lazy police officers a lesson. It is the only way to restore order - my life is a complete misery because the Edinburgh police are a bunch of lazy cowards.
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Bertie The Bat,

19/10/2008 18:57:37
Ah.... The Cooncil!

NCP.... Nasty Council Pi$$heads!
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calum,

19/10/2008 19:06:24
#79 - You've really lost the plot now. The Army on the streets of Edinburgh? That was the solution used by a certain Austrian (in your lifetime, btw) who decided exactly that and isolated and elimated any group that didn't suit the Master Plan ...... and under that kind of regime you would have been elimated. Coincidentally, he planned to make Edinburgh his northern capital.
You really are a crazy old man. End of. Goodnight. No more time to waste on you.
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Gorgie_Tony,

Edinburgh 19/10/2008 20:08:26
#81 - You have got to agree the Edinburgh police are a lazy bunch of cowards? I called the police last year to report serious assault, abuse, breach of the peace etc, and they failed to respond. You read it all the time in the newspaper - Edinburgh police receive a lot of council tax money - yet fail to deliver. So I am sure you will agree with me that all Edinburgh police officers deserve the sack? In the meantime the army would need to be brought in to restore order. Lets face it, the Edinburgh youths are running wild at the moment. Then a new CC can be employed along with better police officers. Employing folk with life experience - such as myself - to restore order to the streets.
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The Squirrel,

Dalry Graveyard 19/10/2008 20:09:41
#79

I got a chip lobbed at me on Gorgie Road once. I wished it had been a brazil nut.
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The Squirrel,

Dalry Graveyard 19/10/2008 20:10:27
#82

No, you're thinking of them pesky critters the grey squirrels.
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Gorgie_Tony,

Edinburgh 19/10/2008 20:11:19
#83 - that's a lovely graveyard btw!
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tumshie heid,

19/10/2008 20:13:32
Send in the army Tony! They will make short work of any errant teenager throwing chips.
If you do carry on like your online persona(s) in real life then I'm not surprised that these incidents keep on happening to you.
You are a deranged muppet who is nothing but a pimple on the backside of humanity.
Where is Jenny just now anyway?
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The Squirrel,

Dalry Graveyard 19/10/2008 20:18:16
All that fuss over a chip, Tony. What would you have done if they'd thrown the full fish supper at you?
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The Squirrel,

Dalry Graveyard 19/10/2008 20:20:31
#85 - yes, it's a decent graveyard. A lot of ghosts there though, but they're mainly the ghosts of maingy pigeons. They don't scare me. Much.
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ConnorD,

19/10/2008 20:20:40
#73 - Thanks, you are correct, he is best left alone to his weird fantasies.
Tell you what, though, with all his rantings about youngsters and his seeming fascination with physical abuse, I just hope there are no young families or young laddies about in his neighbourhood, just in case this loony gives one of them a doing.
Gorgie Tony, don't bother commenting, you are worthless.
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The Squirrel,

The Park 19/10/2008 20:28:41
I haven't seen a beaver in nearly three days.
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edinburgh_rip_off,

livingston 19/10/2008 22:43:07
I have to agree with comment #1 I used to live in edinburgh,but find it run just for tourists and not in any way friendly to the people who have to live,work and park hence i am looking for new employment after 14 years in the nhs(just like so many others)all because i have had enough of the city being so anti-car....and ripping the motorist off,so good luck to all you patients its you who will suffer.