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City puts clamp on parking zone



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Published Date: 23 September 2008
CAMPAIGNERS in Morningside have won their fight to keep parking restrictions off their streets.
Two-thirds of people who responded to a council consultation on the extension of the controlled parking zone into the area around Comiston Road were opposed to it.

Edinburgh City Council's transport, infrastructure and environment committee will n
ow be recommended to throw the plan out when it meets tomorrow.

Doug Gordon, 42, who lives in Craiglea Drive, led a campaign against the extension of parking controls, carrying out his own survey, in which 500 out of 543 people said they were against the move.

He said: "I'm pleased that the council has listened because we had quite a lot of objections to it, but I was a little bit surprised to be honest. I thought they'd be a bit more bullish about trying to push it through.

"I know there will be some people who will be very disappointed in this decision, and I'm sorry if that's the way they feel, but I think the majority will be pleased.

"It's just not necessary round here, and traffic wardens would change the atmosphere of this place. On a larger scale I think CPZs are the wrong way to go in this city."

Edinburgh's transport convener, Councillor Phil Wheeler, said a survey had found the number of commuters parking in the area was relatively low.

"Parking in this area will continue to be monitored in order to gauge the effects of controlled parking in nearby areas.

"Any proposal to introduce parking control in the city includes thorough consultation with the public as well as detailed surveys.

"Controls will not be introduced in an area where there is clearly no need for them."

Opposition to the plan was not evenly spread – 87 per cent of those rejecting the CPZ lived to the west of Comiston Road, with greater support for the plan to the east.

The recommendation to tomorrow's committee meeting says the area should not be split, as introducing controlled parking on the east side only would then push parking problems westwards.

However, Mark McInnes, councillor for Meadows/Morningside, said he would push for this to be reconsidered.

"There's no way the council could go ahead with the CPZ as they planned because there is huge opposition on the west side," he said.

"However, the council is going to have to look in future at how traffic and parking management is introduced on the east side, because there was two-to-one support on that side of the road for something to be done.

"I do think that the council's going to have to take note of the views of the residents because on the east side of Comiston Road there is obviously a desire for something to be done about the parking.

"I think they are two very distinct areas and the views are obviously very different."





The full article contains 486 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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1

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 23/09/2008 11:55:58
Good for them. It's about time people started taking a stand against all this anti-car nonsense.
2

allknowing,

23/09/2008 12:03:37
Agreed, tell the council where to go!
3

Liz,

Edinburgh 23/09/2008 12:27:40
There goes another hole in the Councils budget, they were probably looking forwards to fleecing even more money from a new part of town.
I am sure they will just bulldoze it through sometime at a later date.
4

alex paterson,

edinburgh 23/09/2008 12:41:17
Well done,you see it does pay to come from Moaningside.
5

Duncan in Edinburgh,

23/09/2008 13:11:58
#1 How is it anti-car to bring in regulations to try to ensure that residents can park in their own streets?

Sometimes it sounds like you don't think about things at all before you type.

Do you oppose the extension of the CPZ where residents are asking for it? And on what basis if so?
6

lulach mac gille coemgain,

23/09/2008 13:12:04
I think these folk from Morningside should start wearing Knickers under their Fur Coats
7

Edinburgh 100,

Musselburgh 23/09/2008 13:12:16
mmmm Dont see Edinburgh council having another public consultation. The cooncilors will find away around it and impliment controled parking elsewere without any consultation.
8

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 23/09/2008 13:31:38
#5:

Because previously, they would have been able to park in the streets FREE OF CHARGE. If this crazy scheme was extended to their area, they would have had to pay. simple really, isn't it?
9

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 23/09/2008 13:32:56
"Do you oppose the extension of the CPZ where residents are asking for it? And on what basis if so?"

Most certainly yes.

On the basis that there wouldn't be a problem in the areas concerned if the CPZ was reduced back to the size it was in the mid-80s.
10

Duncan in Edinburgh,

23/09/2008 13:48:13
#9 Surely this would only work if the number of vehicles travelling into and through town, and parking in town, was also reduced back to the size it was in the mid-80s?

In reality, the number of car journeys in Edinburgh has increased above the national average - and since, say 1985, the increase nationally in car journeys has been approximately 85%.

So you have nearly double the number of cars on the road. How could you possibly expect not to have to change parking regulations alongside this growth?
11

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 23/09/2008 13:55:17
Duncan,

I really don't know where you get your figures---the Looney Edinburgh Anti-Car Society Book of Propaganda and Misleading Statements perhaps?

Try ignoring the propaganda for a bit and actually looking around you. It will then be abundantly clear that traffic through Edinburgh is actually reduced since the 1980s.

Bus usage in Edinburgh has increased dramatically in the last few years, so how do you account for all the supposed massive increase in car traffic too? The population has not got that much bigger and if anything there are less major businesses in the centre of Edinburgh than there were 20 years ago. What do you think people are doing? Sticking their hand out of the bus windows so that they can drive their cars alongside it?
12

Duncan in Edinburgh,

23/09/2008 14:00:22
#11 Foolishly, I got my figures from the latest Transport Trends publication from the Office of National Statistics, which is available here:

http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/statistics/datatablespublications/trends/

Obviously what I should have done is just look around me and *decide* that it looks like there are fewer cars around.

When you come up with a shred of evidence to support your suggestion that car journeys in Edinburgh have decreased since the mid 80s, I would be delighted to see it.

I suspect your next move will be to claim that the ONS are spreading disinformation to feed the global warming conspiracy, and so no official statistics on anything should ever be accepted ever.

Am I right old chap?
13

spiritussancti,

Edinburgh 23/09/2008 14:11:13
"It's just not necessary round here, and traffic wardens would change the atmosphere of this place. On a larger scale I think CPZs are the wrong way to go in this city."
what a self-righteous thing to say...noone in the centre of town has any choice in the matter...i'm fairly positive if you did a wee homemade survey about it, you would probably find that a better fraction of 500/543 ppl were opposed to the city centre CPZ's....
unfortunately it is a fact of city life...those roads that we park free on are maintained by the city...they have some justification in expecting some remuneration...and don't say "council tax" otherwise they'll just go ok then, we'll put council tax up...
not for a long time did anyone get anything for free...wise up to life...cities suffer from credit crunches too
14

Ecto,

23/09/2008 14:46:00
If the cooncil do not relax parking restrictions outside of the city centre then you might as well board the whole place up and leave now. People like cars, accept that and move on, no one wants to sit on buses (or trams for that matter) next to p*ss stained jakies and nasty kids. Look at Tollcross and Haymarket, the shops round there where there are severe traffic restrictions have all closed down or are to let. This is all part of the master plan by the hairy jumper wearers in the cooncil transport department who spend each day coming up with ludicrous plans on how to create more traffic misery in the city.
15

Ecto,

23/09/2008 14:47:05
well done to my previous fellow morningsiders for rejecting this money raising nonsense.
16

Duncan in Edinburgh,

23/09/2008 14:51:19
#14 As a regular bus user I simply don't recognise your description of bus travel. I suspect you have very little experience of it.
17

Maxibus,

23/09/2008 16:19:59
The car drivers of Edinburgh will never admit that they cause the traffic congestion, it's always somebody else.
18

calum,

23/09/2008 16:43:21
#16 I certainly recognise some of what he is getting at. The 16 bus through Morningside/TollX/down to Leith Walk each morning is a nightmare with coughing, sneezing, sniffing, malodorous individual who infect half the bus with their droplets. Yuk! Is it any wonder some people take a car.
19

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 23/09/2008 16:46:12
"When you come up with a shred of evidence to support your suggestion that car journeys in Edinburgh have decreased since the mid 80s"

My memory "old chap".

I don't need a web site to tell me what Edinburgh traffic levels are like compared to 20 years ago, because I CAN REMEMBER. Maybe you can't.
20

Diana,

Edinburgh 23/09/2008 17:19:04
#5, you are naive. Residents are forced to buy a parking permit and there are never enough permit-only spaces. If I was the one having to buy a permit and then having to park two blocks away, I certainly wouldn't be happy.

They'll find the same fight if they ever try to extend to Corstorphine.

The council is just after making yet more money off us.
21

Bonzo,

23/09/2008 17:27:04
#19 fuel head
You do realize how completely thick that comment makes you sound don't you? "Measurements nah, I'll rely on my memory of 20 years ago" Priceless.

22

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 23/09/2008 17:36:13
#23:

Well, at least I can rely on my own memories and past experience. I'm hardly likely to dress it up with political hidden agendae and lies to justify extra restrictions am I?
23

Bonzo,

23/09/2008 17:40:08
#24
You? Distort facts to advance your own argument? Perish the thought.
24

Duncan in Edinburgh,

23/09/2008 20:41:54
#19 It's not a great comeback really. I was hoping for better. Like most social conservatives you are simply longing for a time you think was somehow "better" without any rational justification as to why that might have been the case. Shame.
25

Julian.,

edinburgh 23/09/2008 23:33:10
#24 Fuel Head,

No, but you could try dressing it up with a few facts. That might help your argument more than some rose-tinted memories of 20 years ago.

But just to help you along, here's a few for you.

(1) Car ownership has doubled in the last 20 years.

(2) The population of Edinburgh has risen 20% in the last 20 years.

(3) The council has introduced massive amounts of pro-public transport and anti-car commuter measures in the last 20 years...probably the reason why the congestion's not much different now to what it was 20 years ago. I'd hate to see what it would be like if this hadn't happened.

(4) The council will almost definitely not reverse any of these measures you oppose, no matter how much you complain. The trams will certainly not be scrapped and I predict we will have line 3 in 10 years time. So I'm afraid all your moaning is probably a complete wasted effort:-)


 

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